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S Kolb's avatar

In CA they do!

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I believe in every state if you are in line when polls close, they let you vote.

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Jonathan's avatar

Me too

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Jonathan's avatar

In Florida; yes and it's fair to all

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Jonathan's avatar

Are you in Hayes district?

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I have relatives who live in East Lyme.

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stevk's avatar

I'm from Redding originally...we always had rational Republicans repping us until those became extinct. Now it's solid D...

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Jonathan's avatar

Thanks for the reply

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Kevin H.'s avatar

I'm with you, think i'll wait maybe next week at 3 pm. I'm not waiting an 1 and half hour to vote.

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Henrik's avatar

The Harris camp has been sending Obama to Nevada and Arizona and he definitely counts as a top tier surrogate

My guess is that they like their polling numbers in Nevada and the mail is super slow/Reid Machine is still adjusting to the mail method vs how they used to do EV. As always with that state I’d wait until we have a full week to week and a half of data; it was super bouncy in 2022

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Jonathan's avatar

Polls always suck in Nevada; and then the Reid machine\Culinary Union cranks up it's engine

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Henrik's avatar

The issue isn’t the polls but rather a meh first two days in NV early voting.

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Jonathan's avatar

In the Reid Machine I Trust

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Henrik's avatar

Until proven otherwise, yes. If it’s accurate that Clark’s ballots went out seven days late that makes me a bit less worried

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Blomstervaenget's avatar

Read the update on NV. It is going fine.

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Kuka's avatar

Given that the GOP has given up on the NV House races, maybe Harris is seeing good numbers there.

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Jonathan's avatar

And the Senate race has not been discussed at all in Nevada

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Paleo's avatar

no group was more visibly alienated by the candidacy of Barry Goldwater than the black electorate. Abandoning the Republican Party en masse, black voters cast 94 percent of their votes to Lyndon Johnson in the national election.

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James Trout's avatar

And to think Richard Nixon obtained 32 per cent of the African American vote in 1960. It might have been much larger had word not gotten out that JFK and RFK had phoned GA Governor Ernest Vandiver to get MLK Jr out of jail. According to Ike, the election "came down to two calls (JFK also called Coretta Scott King) (Nixon) refused to make."

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Jonathan's avatar

Nevada and Arizona are not triaged

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William's avatar

AZ early vote looks ok as well. Democrats will have to depend on independents and peel off McCain Republicans to win. The Democrats are keeping pace in AZ.

https://x.com/sfalmy/status/1848756106329526697

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Tom A's avatar

Its a 50/50 race at best. If you can get on some anxiety meds, or somehow find a way to tune it out, thats probably for the best, because nothing that happens in the next two weeks is going to make it less stressful (and frankly, I think the news is likely to make it more stressful - if Harris pulls it out, it will likely be by overperforming with late deciding voters).

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Caspian's avatar

There's a reason tasseomancy is not considered a valid science.

Trying to "read the tea leaves" is pointless. This election is already determined. Nothing is changing between now and two weeks from now. Polling is a joke, early voting numbers are about as meaningful as entrails. There's just no sense in trying to auger the outcome based on small amounts of relatively meaningless and unreliable data.

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ArcticStones's avatar

Don’t worry – at least not yet. For clarity and peace of mind, we should all follow John Ralston and his daily Early Voting Blog in the Nevada Independent, which you quote. For all things about Nevada elections, Ralston is the pre-eminent expert! That said, he will intentionally make some dramatic statements.

https://nitter.poast.org/RalstonReports/

https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-early-voting-blog-2024

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Blomstervaenget's avatar

A late mail drop from Clark got the Democrats back on track. It happened after Ralston"s message

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Henrik's avatar

Ralston has also admitted that mail vote and the huge growth of NPAs in the electorate in NV makes his model harder to

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William's avatar

It seems odd because the Democratic House PAC moved money out of the three House races in NV and the Republicans in the Senate race are using the hybrid spending instead of all in. If Harris was worried about Nevada in what they are seeing, I don’t think the other organizations would be pulling out.

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GoHabsGo's avatar

Yeah I simply don't see how Senator and 3 Reps are seen as near safe while a lot of people are down on Harris's chances. I guess that did essentially happen in 2022 when we lost the Gov race, but it hard for me to see much of a divergence this year.

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Jonathan's avatar

The Governor lost closely because of covid restrictions(which were absolutely needed)

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ClimateHawk's avatar

And Dems win everything else, I believe, albeit narrowly.

FWIW, in terms of Registration edge in EV, Dems did not have a large edge in 2020 or 2022.

Something around 3 ots in 2020 IIRC. 40k votes. 13k on lower volume in 2022.

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DiesIrae's avatar

I wonder how much of this is simply the fact that Clark sent out ballots a week later than usual.

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Henrik's avatar

Wait, really? That could definitely be a factor

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ArcticStones's avatar

More than one million early votes added from state data that came in yesterday evening. We’re now over 16.7 million votes.

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Tigercourse's avatar

Pretty close to to the 2020 results.

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IggySD's avatar

This and the last Activote poll seem to show that the previous soft numbers in NY were primarily due to “hesitant” Harris voters. Trump never got out of the low 40s even when the polls were closer so it seems doubtful that Harris will actually lose a large number of votes in NY. Should be good news for the House as well.

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Henrik's avatar

Siena also did some CD polls that look quite promising

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hilltopper's avatar

Really! In NY-4, a "toss-up," Democrat challenger Gillen leads incumbent Republican D’Esposito 53-41%.

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Jonathan's avatar

D'Esposito has major ethical issues

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Henrik's avatar

Didn’t he hand out patronage perks to both his wife and mistress? What is this, France?!

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Jonathan's avatar

Yup big tax payer dollars to his girls

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ArcticStones's avatar

GEORGIA EARLY VOTE:

All in all, 1,694,346 people have voted in Georgia. That is 23.5 percent of active registered voters. And it is already 33.9 percent of the number of Georgians who voted in 2020!

Mail Ballots ("Absentee")

– 99,623 accepted (of 100,282 returned)

– 302,738 requested

In-Person Votes

– 1,594,723 (246,188 added yesterday)

TOTAL EARLY VOTE:

– 1,694,346

– 23.5% of all active registered voters.

– 33.9% of Georgia’s total 2020 turnout

https://sos.ga.gov/page/election-data-hub-turnout

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ArcticStones's avatar

UPDATE 7:10pm:

As of 5:30 today, 218,742 more Georgians have voted in person.

That is 26.8 percent of active registered voters.

And it is already 38.6 percent of the number of Georgians who voted in 2020!

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FLORIDA EARLY VOTE

(As of evening, October 21th) The situation is now reversed; Republicans have opened a small lead in the early voting. HOWEVER, Demcrats are still outperforming Republicans in 57 of Florida’s 67 counties.

@FloridaGOP +18,899 over @FloridaDems

- Democrat: 660,745 (39.3%)

- Republican: 679,644 (40.5%)

- Other: 338,751 (20.2%)

TOTAL: 1,679,140

https://nitter.poast.org/meyer0656/status/1848515571044007956#m

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IggySD's avatar

There were some comments yesterday that the numbers were bad, are there any goal posts for FL? I think back in 2016 or so the early vote was heavily Dem and it wasn’t enough. But with changes in voter registration and voting patterns what would be considered good numbers now?

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ArcticStones's avatar

From time to time, Christopher Bouzy has some really interesting facts and analysis. That said, he does strike me as an incurable optimist and a bit of a Dem cheerleader right now. I don’t have time to look for specific Tweets right now, but here is his feed.

https://nitter.poast.org/cbouzy

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Patntx's avatar

He seems way too confident we are winning FLA.

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Henrik's avatar

He’s too optimistic in a lot of his projections, and that’s being generous. That said - he did call correctly that 2022 was not in fact going to be a red wave, though people like Rosenberg and Bonier did that with way less fantastical suggestions

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ArcticStones's avatar

I agree. Occasionally Bouzy offers data that I find interesting, but I do think his rhetoric is over the top.

With a stellar GOTV effort in Florida, fueled by the Abortion and Weed referenda, I do think it’s within the realm of possibility that Debbie Murcasel-Powell defeats Rick Scott.

My dream scenario for Election Night is North Carolina and Florida being called early for Kamala Harris. I think she’ll win NC, but I definitely wouldn’t bet my life or my life savings on Florida.

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sacman701's avatar

I can't imagine that anyone would look at the collection of data and anecdotes on Florida this year and seriously conclude that Harris is likely to win it. She'd do well to come within 5.

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Henrik's avatar

If Harris loses Florida by 5 I will be ecstatic

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Jonathan's avatar

So will Murcasel-Powell

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Tom A's avatar

Not just on Florida itself. While states dont move in unison, the movement is clsoe enough that - Harris wins FL means she's safely ahead in most of the swing states - not tied or losing in the polls.

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michaelflutist's avatar

Definitely not likely. It would be a real upset.

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Kevin H.'s avatar

Florida isn't happening sadly in the presidential or senate race. We all knew republicans would zoom past us in early voting quite easily. Florida dems need to concentrate on clawing back some of the 2022 losses and getting Whitney Fox elected.

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Jonathan's avatar

Actually we need to win some state leg seats and build up a bench(I might add that the Florida Democratic party is the best this cycle I've seen in 30 years; NOT hopium)

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ArcticStones's avatar

It’s terrific that Florida Democrats have a candidate in every state legislative race. That’s such a huge step forward!

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DM's avatar

Los Angeles councilman Kevin DeLeon, the one who was caught on tape disparaging African Americans and certain groups of Latinos got through to the top 2, but he's expected to lose in the general.

His district 14 opponent Ysabel Jarado was talking on a college campus and a student prefaced his question with his thought we needed to get rid of the police, abolish them.

Her response, to quote a rap star, "fuck the police."

I ❤️ LA!

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Anonymous's avatar

Sounds like two unbelievably bad candidates lmao

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Jonathan's avatar

If that's her platform; I'd vote for DeLeon

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Zack from the SFV's avatar

The political spectrum in the city of Los Angeles (pop. 4M) is to the left of most places including the rest of L.A. County (10m). People with similar political profiles have won seats on the council in recent years (Hugo Soto Martinez, Eunisses Hernandez, Nithya Raman, and City Controller Ken Mejia). I don't always agree with their rhetoric, but they have been an interesting factor in L.A. city politics in recent years. I am somewhat to their right, but left of the mainstream establishment Dems. Here's a mindblower for you: Ysabel Jurado was endorsed by the Times! The LAT is a much better paper than the NYT, but it shows how much there is a desire for change and to get rid of the a$$h*le KDL.

My sense of the local electorate is that we are cranky and want a better quality of life. These sentiments have expressions both to the right (our county's next District Attorney) and to the left, with these lefty council candidates. KDL might still win, but Ysabel Jurado has a great chance of becoming L.A.'s first Filipina city councilmember. If Jurado wins and Jillian Burgos gets the seat here in the SFV then the new left will have had a great election. I think the regular Dem, Adrin Nazarian, will win here in CD-02 in the southeast SFV, but it is never over until it is over...

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Jonathan's avatar

Thanks for the local perspective

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DM's avatar

I defer to your judgment on things LA as you're a resident and I only visit, but if Jurado had made those comments prior to endorsements, I question if she would have received the LAT endorsement. As much as LAPD needs to be reformed, I can't imagine the city with only a bunch of social workers out on the streets.

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Zack from the SFV's avatar

In the primary I am pretty sure that the LAT endorsed Assm. Miguel Santiago. Zack's Picks also had Miguel as the March primary pick in CD-14. Once the runoff was set as Ysabel vs KDL I switched my endorsement and so did the Times.

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Anonymous's avatar

The LAT is pretty left wing relative to most big city newspapers, they endorsed the progressive city controller who beat a longtime LA pol stalwart.

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William's avatar

even Los Angeles has limits as the DA Gascon is probably going to lose.

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Zack from the SFV's avatar

"Probably" is not the word. Gascon is toast, no question about that. Of course D.A. is a county position, so they are voted on by many different communities from Lancaster to La Habra Heights. It will be weird having a semi-closeted Repub as D.A., but California seems to be moving more towards the "tough on crime" position in the cycle of crime and punishment policy. See also Prop 36 for another example of that trend. 36 will pass easily, increasing penalties for various crimes.

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Zack from the SFV's avatar

George Gascon will be the answer to a future CA politics trivia question: Who served as District Attorney in both San Francisco and Los Angeles counties?

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DM's avatar

And amazingly before that was the chief of police of Mesa, Arizona, a rather conservative city, and he was well respected.

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Anonymous's avatar

Yeah KDL was my council member until I moved to NYC in August, I don't think the new left council members are doing anything for LA's quality of life. I'd have probably voted for Jurado had I voted in LA in November, but my candidate didn't make the runoff.

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michaelflutist's avatar

About the L.A. Times, are they so good? Can you explain this? https://www.semafor.com/article/10/22/2024/los-angeles-times-wont-endorse-for-president

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Last week, the LA Times published its electoral endorsements for the 2024 election. And while the paper noted in its first line that it is “no exaggeration to say this may be the most consequential election in a generation,” that was the only mention of the presidential race in its endorsements.[...]

But according to two people familiar with the situation, executive editor Terry Tang told editorial board staff earlier this month that the paper would not be endorsing a candidate in the presidential election this cycle, a decision that came from the paper’s owner Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong, a doctor who made his fortune in the healthcare industry.

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Zack from the SFV's avatar

The L.A. Times is relatively left-wing on their endorsements compared to most mainstream papers. I had not noticed that they didn't endorse in the presidential race, which is a nonevent here compared to state and local ballot measures and some key House races. The Emhoff family lives in this city so Kamala is now almost an Angelena (though she grew up in Oakland and served as San Francisco's D.A.). Certainly she is a California "favorite daughter". I don't know why they didn't endorse, but I think endorsements in the highest profile race are less useful than in local races where people have less information about the people or measures.

I think the Times is a relatively good paper because they try to cover local and regional issues. Also they have some excellent columnists from different communities and perspectives. I have learned a lot by reading people like Gustavo Arellano, Robin Abcarian, Frank Shyong and others, with Steve Lopez covering elders' issues and Patt Morrison with stories of SoCal history. No paper in the 21st century can do everything well because of the economic constraints of publishing, but they do OK mostly. I don't see the NYT very often nowadays, so I can't make the most informed commentary on that paper.

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I love the LA Times and feel happier when reading it than when reading the NYT or WaPo. Fewer things to annoy me, less sense of self-importance, more sense that life's worth living. That said, I'm disturbed by the failure of the LAT to endorse Harris. This is the kind of existential election in which everyone, and of course every newspaper, should make clear where they stand. The failure here is not the fault of the editorial writers, who apparently had an endorsement ready to go, but of the paper's billionaire owner Patrick Soon-Shiong. I don't what what his problem is, since he's said nothing. The failure to endorse is a great disappointment and a historic mistake.

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S Kolb's avatar

that was an incredibly bad response...now you see one reason why big, blue cities have such a rotten rep with so many people

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michaelflutist's avatar

You really think that's why? I don't. People in Upstate New York didn't suddenly love New York City when "I never saw police brutality I didn't like" Giuliani was Mayor. Urban-rural conflict has a long history. We can talk about the reasons for it if you like, but don't be simplistic and misleading about it.

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S Kolb's avatar

I said ONE REASON!! and, yes, I believe it is a contributing factor to a widespread feeling across the country (and in Canada, btw, where I just visited Vancouver and Toronto). Do you think "de-fund the police helped people's image of big U.S. cities.

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michaelflutist's avatar

No, point taken.

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TEXAS EARLY VOTE

Looks like statewide, Texas had 486,238 Early In-Person Votes on its first day.

– Mail Ballots: 156,855

– In-Person Early Votes: 486,238

TOTAL Early Votes: 643,107

https://election.lab.ufl.edu/early-vote/2024-early-voting/2024-general-election-early-vote-texas/

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axlee's avatar

These are the numbers from SOS without some quite big counties updates. Harris Co added some 125k alone.

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IggySD's avatar

Yeah, https://earlyvoting.texas-election.com/Elections/getEVDetails.do shows there are still some counties not reporting numbers. Already over 1 million though in combined in person and mail. In person looks to approach 900k.

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NORTH CAROLINA EARLY VOTE

A total of 1,380,839 people cast Early In-Person Votes. North Carolina is one of six states to surpass one million votes. So far, 101,607 Mail Ballots have been returned of 400,913 requested. The modest Dem lead in the Early Vote was slightly reduced yesterday.

In-Person Early Votes: 1,279,232

Party split: 35.0% Democrats, 33.6% Republicans, 31.4% Independents

https://election.lab.ufl.edu/early-vote/2024-early-voting/2024-general-election-early-vote-north-carolina/

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sacman701's avatar

NC's latest registration file shows 2.43m D, 2.32m R, 2.94m I. Dems and GOP are voting proportionately to each other, indies lower than both. Rs are generally older than Ds but they also discouraged early voting in 2020, so it isn't clear which party you'd expect to vote early more. The consensus seems to be that Ds should disproportionately vote early, but less than in 2020. I'd expect indies to be lower because they skew young.

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Jonathan's avatar

Young folks procrastinate(but I expect this cycle the young vote to be big for Harris in the end)

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axlee's avatar

Rs are voting generally at the same rates. Even higher in heavily red rurals. Slightly lower in Triangle and around Asheville.

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ClimateHawk's avatar

TargetEarly has Dems +5 with that same batch of data.

Now, IDK how their modeling process works, but I'd assume a pro-Dem theory would go like this:

1) GOP not as hostile to EV as in 2020/22, so they should do slightly better.

2) GOP always does well in in-person EV.

3) Generally, people will use mail less and ED more this time as people revert to pre-COVID voting habits. As a result, less blue EV and less red ED vote. But we can only see the first half now.

4) Despite this, modeled EV is still ahead of 2020 splits in MI, WI, & NE-02. And still good if behind 2020, in PA.

5) Modeled party is still ahead of the FINAL EV splits in most battlegrounds (though not all).

6) Harris should get more crossover votes and independent votes than Trump. Thilus, straight registration analysis will miss some of her strength, and even modeled party. Especially late registrants who are younger.

That is a lot of IFs. And there is scant evidence of the GOP ground game struggling as it pertains to turnout ofcregistered GOP voters so far. Though it is still very early.

There will be no way to tell for sure until ED. Again, expect some GOP improvement in raw numbers. But believe there are some Cheney GOP votes and unaffiliated young votes for Kamala in there. We are more enthusiastic & she is more popular. And the ground game IS better

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IggySD's avatar

I stopped reading when it claimed that Mark Robinson being a crap candidate was somehow a problem for Harris.

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Kuka's avatar

Mark Robinson is good news for John McCain!

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LennyLiberal's avatar

Baffled as to why anyone in the Harris campaign would single out Michigan as worrisome. With the obvious caveat that early voting has limited predictive power--especially two weeks out--the numbers have been fantastic, arguably better than any other battleground state. Detroit in particularly has been a gem, with a ballot return rate higher than all other large municipalities and overall turnout in line with the state. This is a city where turnout in 2020 was 20 percentage points below the state average; hiking turnout from 50% to 55-60% would be huge. Ingham, Oakland, and Washtenaw have also been looking really solid.

If Harris can hold or expand our margins in Dem population centers and chip away at Ottawa and Livingston, she'll be in really good shape. Personally, I expect Michigan to be the best of the seven battlegrounds for us.

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Jonathan's avatar

Same article every election cycle. Wash.Rinse.Repeat.

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IggySD's avatar

Yup, PA was late last week. Wonder if NV or WI will be next.

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bythesea's avatar

WI sounds like.

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stevk's avatar

NV seems like genuine cause for concern at this point....

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IggySD's avatar

Fair, but there was mention that the Clark County ballots were delayed by a week. I haven’t been able to verify that but if that is the case it would go a long way towards explaining what is going on.

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Em Jay's avatar

My impression of the Harris campaign is that they're not leaving anything to chance. If they had polls that showed a 7 swing state sweep and an 8 point national lead they would still be saying this.

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Jonathan's avatar

Exactly. Good post

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Paleo's avatar

53-41 and 44-47

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Ethan (KingofSpades)'s avatar

Oddly strong for NY Ds for this pollster.

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Jonathan's avatar

I am actually encouraged by the NY-01(gotta believe undecided there are obtainable)

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One thing I’ve been thinking a lot about recently, the two groups that Republicans have singled out to demonize and defame this cycle, immigrants (legal or not) and trans people, are two groups who, for many valid reasons, do not have many in-group, well-known advocates to counter the heinous things being said about them. The public-facing onus to defend these people often ends up falling to people who are not part of those groups, and who frankly are not always equipped for the job.

Big picture, it’s really sort of astonishing how much is said about those two groups in the media compared to how little media gets traction emanating from within those groups themselves. Both are filled with people who are fearful for their own safety and don’t want the spotlight, which is completely understandable. But the consequence of that is it’s created a disinformation vacuum filled by everybody *but* them.

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sacman701's avatar

They always scapegoat small, powerless minorities. Also their hostility is directed entirely at trans women. They never mention trans men, probably because they don't view them as a threat.

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Henrik's avatar

It’s all toxic masculinity. Most gay panic politics is directed at gay men rather than lesbian women, despite more women identifying as bisexual, lesbian or queer. It’s just about attacking what they see as men who threaten their narrow definition of wha tit is to be a man.

Which is an irony in and of itself since in countries with less toxic culture war politics high income gays are often a comfortable constituency in center-right/liberal-conservative parties

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michaelflutist's avatar

I thought there were more Americans who identified as gay men than lesbians. Bisexuality in women is more widely socially accepted than in men in the U.S., though.

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ArcticStones's avatar

Well, I can think of a few well-known immigrants: Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Rupert Murdoch, Melania Trump, Friedrich Trump and his poisoned-blood offspring... The first three are definitely immigrants that I would like to see deport, Friedrich’s descendants as well.

Oh, snap! I guess that’s "not the kind of immigrant" the MAGA Alt-Reich crowd is upset about.

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Stephen A Mikalik's avatar

Monday's PA Mail-In Ballot Update is in.

26,378 new requests, R+3,382. Overall request advantage now down to D+518,092

129,935 ballot returns, D+22,549. Overall ballot advantage now D+348,198. Under 42k short of the (once) popular firewall, 102k below my firewall

Total Requests:

D - 1,079,726 (57.74%)

R - 561,634 (30.03%)

O - 228,705 (12.23%)

Total - 1,870,065

Total Returns:

D - 649,060 (60.11% return rate)

R - 300,862 (53.57%)

O - 101,733 (44.48%)

Total - 1,051,655

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Stephen A Mikalik's avatar

Best update for GOP yet. Request advantage at lowest point since 10/2. Return rate advantage (6.54%) lowest since 10/9.

Almost a quarter of all ballots returned today are from Westmoreland (exurban Pitt) & York (exurban Philly). Big updates from Luzerne & Montgomery as well. Erie still lagging. Allegheny has reached 100k Dem returns with 52k outstanding. Philadelphia will hit that milestone Wednesday or Thursday.

I see no cause for concern. The "firewall" is still quite sizeable.

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DiesIrae's avatar

Yeah, Westmoreland and York - the former in particular - are quite Republican. Seems like they dumped a ton of ballots. I'm not surprised the return edge shrunk.

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Stephen A Mikalik's avatar

They are overall but for the mail Westmoreland is D+8k & York is D+3900.

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DiesIrae's avatar

Sure, which is part of why the ballot edge expanded. But they're closer than many counties, so putting them in the system drops the return rate gap.

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