The poll out on the LA County prosecutor, Gascon is in line with what I posted about a couple days ago. I suspect Gascon is toast, and that prop 36 overturning crime reform in prop 47 will likely pass statewide.
The Republican propaganda machine has effectively split California Democrats on the crime issue. My hope is this issue doesn't c…
The poll out on the LA County prosecutor, Gascon is in line with what I posted about a couple days ago. I suspect Gascon is toast, and that prop 36 overturning crime reform in prop 47 will likely pass statewide.
The Republican propaganda machine has effectively split California Democrats on the crime issue. My hope is this issue doesn't carry into the federal congressional swing districts that we desperately need to reclaim the house.
While I don't think the current California proposition is warranted, I am currently repairing the AZ house that was burglarized and vandalized and is still unsecure. Therefore I have my dog who bit a guy that pushed his way into the Phoenix house about a year ago, and have a loaded 20 gauge shotgun by my bedside. In some areas, crime is a problem.
With the non stop crime stories on the nightly news in the LA, and I suspect SF, market it is not at all surprising that Gascon is toast and Prop 36 is going to pass. People, of all political bents, are fed up and if officials don't do something significant they will be out of a job.
We will be in polical trouble if we let Fox News and sensationalizing mainstream news stations set the narrative without fighting back on crime, immigrants committing crimes, and the economy.
No, crime wasn't lower under Trump, no immigrants don't commit crimes at a higher level than natives, and we were in the worst recession since the 1930s under Trump.
It's bad enough regular news picks up Fox BS, but we should be setting it straight, not letting it stand or repeating it.
It is far from just Fox news, unfortunately. Every tv station in the LA market has 2-5 hours of "news" per day and they lead every hour with endless crime stories...and it is worse today than it was last year. And every time LA mayor Karen Bass is on the screen she has that great big smile working and people are not seeing results so they are losing patience.
LA County and LA the city in general are the largest populated regions in CA. There's also a major problem with housing affordability that impacts LA County at large in a bigger way than cities like San Francisco and San Jose. This adds stress to the crime situation with the way it is.
As for LA Mayor Karen Bass, she's got a tough job reversing problems that have been years in the making. She's also in just her 2nd year as Mayor. Unlike Oakland Mayor Sheng Thao, I'd say Bass has become more proactive. Time is something residents are very impatient with.
On the other hand, she is a veteran politician who comes in with experience working in Congress, the State Assembly and in difficult situations (her budget compromise as Assembly Speaker with then-State Senate Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg and Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger at the height of the Great Recession is an example). Time will tell how successful she ends up being.
Even voters liberal jurisdictions are tired of crime. Criminal Justice Reform has noble goals; but, if voters feel like crime isn’t being addressed, even in liberal areas, they’ll vote out such prosecutors.
Criminal justice reform isn't the issue and isn't by default perfect. The signing of the criminal justice reform law by Trump when he was POTUS isn't the end-all-be-all for reform.
The premise of criminal justice reform is supposed to be providing fairer sentences to those being convicted of a crime. If we argue for harsher-than-needed sentences for the accused, then we're going to run into problems with recidivism, overpopulation in prisons (they are already packed as it is) and the convicted will have a harder time trying to adapt into society. This is an ongoing legal problem that needs to be addressed but it won't happen overnight.
What is a problem is when you have DAs like Alameda County DA Pamela Price handing out light sentences when they are not warranted and using their office as a way to exercise activism on criminal justice reform when they are supposed to be objective and prosecute the crimes. Price for instance has show a bias towards giving black defendents lesser sentences because of their race. Her office has also been toxic for attorneys who have left because of the management by Price and her staff.
Also, the problem with crime is primarily a police and security problem. Criminal justice reform does not apply in this case as we're talking about police officers arresting people without hestitation and the response times of them getting to those breaking into businesses like restaurants, stealing catalytic converters and breaking into homes.
"Price for instance has show a bias towards giving black defendents lesser sentences because of their race."
Has she stated that she's doing that intentionally and given a rationale for it? If not, what statistical evidence is there for this? The default is to give Black people harsher sentences for the same crimes.
Yes, the front door got kicked in, the electricity was shut off, everything in the freezer dumped out, "fucking white trash scum" spray painted t/o the house.
The new door and a steel door will be installed this afternoon, then I will unload. But I still have the attack poodle.
I'm more worried legitimate needed corrections for stopping public nuisances, theft & violent crime will be cover for reopening drug war 2.0 and the arrest and jail everyone damn the root causes approach that inevitably leads to more recidivism and incarceration and makes it impossible for people to reenter the workforce.
Yeah. There has to be some middle ground. I'm not in California and not voting on this proposition, so I don't have to make a decision about it, but here in New York, I hate that paying for subway and bus fare now is effectively optional, with crowds of fare-beaters openly sneaking in without consequences, and that traffic regulations don't seem to be enforced anymore, with people riding motorcycles on the sidewalk, etc., etc. It can't be that the only alternatives are for cops to beat the shit out of people and put them in brutal prisons for years unnecessarily or for important laws and regulations to be routinely flouted without consequences.
Exactly. That's the way it used to be. The police would give them a summons to appear in court. If they were no-shows, the consequences would get more serious.
I think they should go back to giving them summonses and making offenders pay a heavy enough fine to discourage it, unless they decide to make subway and bus fare free, but that's not possible with the levels of funding for the system. But the main problem is that there aren't enough cops patrolling the turnstiles or buses. And the MTA is losing tremendous amounts of money as a result.
Yes, my sentiment exactly. We as Democrats (ideally many of us are liberal) should not be regressive but progressive for a reason - To ensure those being convicted of a crime should serve time as needed that's a reasonable sentence.
And also, those convicted should be able to wipe their record off as quickly as possible once they serve time if it means they have to get employment and a fair shot at reentering society. We already have a major problem with overcrowding in prisons.
A lot of Americans don't know or understand that in some European countries with way, way lower murder rates than the U.S., murderers get only a few years in prison, and prisoners aren't routinely assaulted and raped or otherwise treated like crap in some of those systems. There's a strong sentiment for retribution in the U.S., but the most important question is how best to protect society. Putting everyone who violates every kind of law and regulation in prison, not to mention jailing them for years while they are legally presumed and may be innocent, awaiting trial, is not the best way to protect society. But of course, neither is letting people get away with openly violating laws and regulations, whether their names are Donald Trump or Joe Shmoe.
The poll out on the LA County prosecutor, Gascon is in line with what I posted about a couple days ago. I suspect Gascon is toast, and that prop 36 overturning crime reform in prop 47 will likely pass statewide.
The Republican propaganda machine has effectively split California Democrats on the crime issue. My hope is this issue doesn't carry into the federal congressional swing districts that we desperately need to reclaim the house.
While I don't think the current California proposition is warranted, I am currently repairing the AZ house that was burglarized and vandalized and is still unsecure. Therefore I have my dog who bit a guy that pushed his way into the Phoenix house about a year ago, and have a loaded 20 gauge shotgun by my bedside. In some areas, crime is a problem.
With the non stop crime stories on the nightly news in the LA, and I suspect SF, market it is not at all surprising that Gascon is toast and Prop 36 is going to pass. People, of all political bents, are fed up and if officials don't do something significant they will be out of a job.
We will be in polical trouble if we let Fox News and sensationalizing mainstream news stations set the narrative without fighting back on crime, immigrants committing crimes, and the economy.
No, crime wasn't lower under Trump, no immigrants don't commit crimes at a higher level than natives, and we were in the worst recession since the 1930s under Trump.
It's bad enough regular news picks up Fox BS, but we should be setting it straight, not letting it stand or repeating it.
It is far from just Fox news, unfortunately. Every tv station in the LA market has 2-5 hours of "news" per day and they lead every hour with endless crime stories...and it is worse today than it was last year. And every time LA mayor Karen Bass is on the screen she has that great big smile working and people are not seeing results so they are losing patience.
People always think crime is higher than it's ever been, yet that's usually false.
"All the crime rates are above average."
LA County and LA the city in general are the largest populated regions in CA. There's also a major problem with housing affordability that impacts LA County at large in a bigger way than cities like San Francisco and San Jose. This adds stress to the crime situation with the way it is.
As for LA Mayor Karen Bass, she's got a tough job reversing problems that have been years in the making. She's also in just her 2nd year as Mayor. Unlike Oakland Mayor Sheng Thao, I'd say Bass has become more proactive. Time is something residents are very impatient with.
very impatient!
Which is why I don't envy Karen Bass.
On the other hand, she is a veteran politician who comes in with experience working in Congress, the State Assembly and in difficult situations (her budget compromise as Assembly Speaker with then-State Senate Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg and Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger at the height of the Great Recession is an example). Time will tell how successful she ends up being.
Is the crime really worse, unlike the nationwide trend, or is the media coverage worse? On the media, it's a truism: If it bleeds, it leads.
Even voters liberal jurisdictions are tired of crime. Criminal Justice Reform has noble goals; but, if voters feel like crime isn’t being addressed, even in liberal areas, they’ll vote out such prosecutors.
right, that is why Gascon is toast
Criminal justice reform isn't the issue and isn't by default perfect. The signing of the criminal justice reform law by Trump when he was POTUS isn't the end-all-be-all for reform.
The premise of criminal justice reform is supposed to be providing fairer sentences to those being convicted of a crime. If we argue for harsher-than-needed sentences for the accused, then we're going to run into problems with recidivism, overpopulation in prisons (they are already packed as it is) and the convicted will have a harder time trying to adapt into society. This is an ongoing legal problem that needs to be addressed but it won't happen overnight.
What is a problem is when you have DAs like Alameda County DA Pamela Price handing out light sentences when they are not warranted and using their office as a way to exercise activism on criminal justice reform when they are supposed to be objective and prosecute the crimes. Price for instance has show a bias towards giving black defendents lesser sentences because of their race. Her office has also been toxic for attorneys who have left because of the management by Price and her staff.
Also, the problem with crime is primarily a police and security problem. Criminal justice reform does not apply in this case as we're talking about police officers arresting people without hestitation and the response times of them getting to those breaking into businesses like restaurants, stealing catalytic converters and breaking into homes.
"Price for instance has show a bias towards giving black defendents lesser sentences because of their race."
Has she stated that she's doing that intentionally and given a rationale for it? If not, what statistical evidence is there for this? The default is to give Black people harsher sentences for the same crimes.
I would vote to recall Gascon.
I'm really sorry there's so much crime where you are that you have to take such measures. It sucks not to feel secure in your home.
yes, the mayor's/city councils in LA have been talking tough on crime for decades and doing very little to solve the problems
DM was referring to their home in Arizona (AZ) being insecure, right?
Right.
Yes, the front door got kicked in, the electricity was shut off, everything in the freezer dumped out, "fucking white trash scum" spray painted t/o the house.
The new door and a steel door will be installed this afternoon, then I will unload. But I still have the attack poodle.
That's so awful!
Quite unnerving, and I'm not easily unnerved. In years past, I've walked and ridden the subway in your fair city at 3am without much concern.
Me too, many times.
I'm more worried legitimate needed corrections for stopping public nuisances, theft & violent crime will be cover for reopening drug war 2.0 and the arrest and jail everyone damn the root causes approach that inevitably leads to more recidivism and incarceration and makes it impossible for people to reenter the workforce.
Yeah. There has to be some middle ground. I'm not in California and not voting on this proposition, so I don't have to make a decision about it, but here in New York, I hate that paying for subway and bus fare now is effectively optional, with crowds of fare-beaters openly sneaking in without consequences, and that traffic regulations don't seem to be enforced anymore, with people riding motorcycles on the sidewalk, etc., etc. It can't be that the only alternatives are for cops to beat the shit out of people and put them in brutal prisons for years unnecessarily or for important laws and regulations to be routinely flouted without consequences.
They should go back to arresting those who don’t pay their fares to ride the subway.
What's wrong with fining them? I'd rather arrest if the fair evaders refuse to pay.
Exactly. That's the way it used to be. The police would give them a summons to appear in court. If they were no-shows, the consequences would get more serious.
I think they should go back to giving them summonses and making offenders pay a heavy enough fine to discourage it, unless they decide to make subway and bus fare free, but that's not possible with the levels of funding for the system. But the main problem is that there aren't enough cops patrolling the turnstiles or buses. And the MTA is losing tremendous amounts of money as a result.
Yes, my sentiment exactly. We as Democrats (ideally many of us are liberal) should not be regressive but progressive for a reason - To ensure those being convicted of a crime should serve time as needed that's a reasonable sentence.
And also, those convicted should be able to wipe their record off as quickly as possible once they serve time if it means they have to get employment and a fair shot at reentering society. We already have a major problem with overcrowding in prisons.
A lot of Americans don't know or understand that in some European countries with way, way lower murder rates than the U.S., murderers get only a few years in prison, and prisoners aren't routinely assaulted and raped or otherwise treated like crap in some of those systems. There's a strong sentiment for retribution in the U.S., but the most important question is how best to protect society. Putting everyone who violates every kind of law and regulation in prison, not to mention jailing them for years while they are legally presumed and may be innocent, awaiting trial, is not the best way to protect society. But of course, neither is letting people get away with openly violating laws and regulations, whether their names are Donald Trump or Joe Shmoe.