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S Kolb's avatar

With the non stop crime stories on the nightly news in the LA, and I suspect SF, market it is not at all surprising that Gascon is toast and Prop 36 is going to pass. People, of all political bents, are fed up and if officials don't do something significant they will be out of a job.

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DM's avatar

We will be in polical trouble if we let Fox News and sensationalizing mainstream news stations set the narrative without fighting back on crime, immigrants committing crimes, and the economy.

No, crime wasn't lower under Trump, no immigrants don't commit crimes at a higher level than natives, and we were in the worst recession since the 1930s under Trump.

It's bad enough regular news picks up Fox BS, but we should be setting it straight, not letting it stand or repeating it.

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S Kolb's avatar

It is far from just Fox news, unfortunately. Every tv station in the LA market has 2-5 hours of "news" per day and they lead every hour with endless crime stories...and it is worse today than it was last year. And every time LA mayor Karen Bass is on the screen she has that great big smile working and people are not seeing results so they are losing patience.

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michaelflutist's avatar

People always think crime is higher than it's ever been, yet that's usually false.

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Ken Edelstein's avatar

"All the crime rates are above average."

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Zero Cool's avatar

LA County and LA the city in general are the largest populated regions in CA. There's also a major problem with housing affordability that impacts LA County at large in a bigger way than cities like San Francisco and San Jose. This adds stress to the crime situation with the way it is.

As for LA Mayor Karen Bass, she's got a tough job reversing problems that have been years in the making. She's also in just her 2nd year as Mayor. Unlike Oakland Mayor Sheng Thao, I'd say Bass has become more proactive. Time is something residents are very impatient with.

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S Kolb's avatar

very impatient!

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Zero Cool's avatar

Which is why I don't envy Karen Bass.

On the other hand, she is a veteran politician who comes in with experience working in Congress, the State Assembly and in difficult situations (her budget compromise as Assembly Speaker with then-State Senate Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg and Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger at the height of the Great Recession is an example). Time will tell how successful she ends up being.

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michaelflutist's avatar

Is the crime really worse, unlike the nationwide trend, or is the media coverage worse? On the media, it's a truism: If it bleeds, it leads.

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Oceanblaze17's avatar

Even voters liberal jurisdictions are tired of crime. Criminal Justice Reform has noble goals; but, if voters feel like crime isnтАЩt being addressed, even in liberal areas, theyтАЩll vote out such prosecutors.

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S Kolb's avatar

right, that is why Gascon is toast

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Zero Cool's avatar

Criminal justice reform isn't the issue and isn't by default perfect. The signing of the criminal justice reform law by Trump when he was POTUS isn't the end-all-be-all for reform.

The premise of criminal justice reform is supposed to be providing fairer sentences to those being convicted of a crime. If we argue for harsher-than-needed sentences for the accused, then we're going to run into problems with recidivism, overpopulation in prisons (they are already packed as it is) and the convicted will have a harder time trying to adapt into society. This is an ongoing legal problem that needs to be addressed but it won't happen overnight.

What is a problem is when you have DAs like Alameda County DA Pamela Price handing out light sentences when they are not warranted and using their office as a way to exercise activism on criminal justice reform when they are supposed to be objective and prosecute the crimes. Price for instance has show a bias towards giving black defendents lesser sentences because of their race. Her office has also been toxic for attorneys who have left because of the management by Price and her staff.

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Zero Cool's avatar

Also, the problem with crime is primarily a police and security problem. Criminal justice reform does not apply in this case as we're talking about police officers arresting people without hestitation and the response times of them getting to those breaking into businesses like restaurants, stealing catalytic converters and breaking into homes.

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michaelflutist's avatar

"Price for instance has show a bias towards giving black defendents lesser sentences because of their race."

Has she stated that she's doing that intentionally and given a rationale for it? If not, what statistical evidence is there for this? The default is to give Black people harsher sentences for the same crimes.

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