In case you hadn't noticed, Fetterman won Pennsylvania, the tipping point state in America, in 2022 while Harris and every other statewide Dem lost it this year. Clearly we do need to listen to him.
This is a bit of a non sequitur. Yes, Biden would've lost by a larger margin than Harris if he hadn't dropped out. But I'm not sure what that has to do with Fetterman.
All to do with Bidens relationship with PA. It's not about candidate choice anyway its about messaging. And he knows how to message. He is not scripted and comes across as very regular. That's the point here. Not who he endorsed.
You want someone who knows how to message? Bernie Sanders has been out there for years pushing the economic populist message Democrats used to push. Before they embraced neo-liberal Clintonism.
The reason for this isnтАЩt just that John Fetterman was an advocate for Biden but he likely also saw that from a manufacturing standpoint Biden really stimulated the economy in the rust belt. Biden also connected with union voters better than Harris.
Fetterman also endorsed and advocated for West Virginia Senate Candidate Glenn Elliott for similar reasons that he supports Biden for: Revitalization of economies that have been depressed or lacking for some time. Elliott didnтАЩt win but he happened to be a Mayor of Wheeling, where he did work across party lines to get the city into a growing economy where it was lacking before.
I mean . .it's impossible to know the counter-factual right now. I think you're probably right, but one can argue Biden could've had a little juice in the Blue Wall to pull it out. We'll never know.
Biden right before and after the first debate was polling near where Hardis ended up polling-wise the last two weeks (he was ahead in the June Fox News poll); he only got in the hole after 3 weeks of intra-party civil war.
Yes the age thing may have crippled turnout even more but at the same time the misogyny and "woke" attacks wouldn't have landed as well either.
No, the internal polling wasn't showing anything like Harris numbers. He was losing New York, NJ, etc. we might have been left with 3 west coast states, Colorado, CT, CT and Rhode Island. We would have almost certainly lost four more Senate seats and who knows how many house seats.
What are you talking about? At his absolute nadir the worry was he'd lose MN, NH and VA. No-one ever had him losing NY or NJ let alone 45 states . .that's insanity.
We wouldn't have lost THAT many states. This isn't 1980, and Trump isn't Reagan.
But Biden would probably have lost more than Harris did. My guess is that he might have lost most or all of MN, NM, VA, NJ, NH, ME statewide (probably holding onto ME-01), and maybe one or two others, while probably losing more decisively in several states where Harris barely fell short. Which leaves him with probably a near-irreducible minimum for Dems today. And we'd have probably dropped several (many?) more House and Senate seats, as well as more offices downballot.
The difference would primarily be that Trump was campaigning all over the place throughout most of this election. Fetterman had to leave most of it to his social media.
The last thing we need is to listen to John Fetterman.
In case you hadn't noticed, Fetterman won Pennsylvania, the tipping point state in America, in 2022 while Harris and every other statewide Dem lost it this year. Clearly we do need to listen to him.
Had we listened to him, Biden would have not dropped out and would gone down to a bigger defeat, possibly taking 3-4 more senate seats with him.
This is a bit of a non sequitur. Yes, Biden would've lost by a larger margin than Harris if he hadn't dropped out. But I'm not sure what that has to do with Fetterman.
Fetterman was insistent that Biden stay in. And attacked those who wanted him to drop out. And this is who we should be taking political advice from?
All to do with Bidens relationship with PA. It's not about candidate choice anyway its about messaging. And he knows how to message. He is not scripted and comes across as very regular. That's the point here. Not who he endorsed.
You want someone who knows how to message? Bernie Sanders has been out there for years pushing the economic populist message Democrats used to push. Before they embraced neo-liberal Clintonism.
The reason for this isnтАЩt just that John Fetterman was an advocate for Biden but he likely also saw that from a manufacturing standpoint Biden really stimulated the economy in the rust belt. Biden also connected with union voters better than Harris.
Fetterman also endorsed and advocated for West Virginia Senate Candidate Glenn Elliott for similar reasons that he supports Biden for: Revitalization of economies that have been depressed or lacking for some time. Elliott didnтАЩt win but he happened to be a Mayor of Wheeling, where he did work across party lines to get the city into a growing economy where it was lacking before.
I mean . .it's impossible to know the counter-factual right now. I think you're probably right, but one can argue Biden could've had a little juice in the Blue Wall to pull it out. We'll never know.
Polling this election was fairly accurate. And polling showed Biden getting creamed. We'd likely have lost 43-45 states.
Biden right before and after the first debate was polling near where Hardis ended up polling-wise the last two weeks (he was ahead in the June Fox News poll); he only got in the hole after 3 weeks of intra-party civil war.
Yes the age thing may have crippled turnout even more but at the same time the misogyny and "woke" attacks wouldn't have landed as well either.
ThatтАЩs right. It was the тАЬintra-party civil war.тАЭ Nothing else happened.
And Biden was trailing by an average 3 points in the national vote at the time he dropped out. Harris was running even.
No, the internal polling wasn't showing anything like Harris numbers. He was losing New York, NJ, etc. we might have been left with 3 west coast states, Colorado, CT, CT and Rhode Island. We would have almost certainly lost four more Senate seats and who knows how many house seats.
What are you talking about? At his absolute nadir the worry was he'd lose MN, NH and VA. No-one ever had him losing NY or NJ let alone 45 states . .that's insanity.
... It was Biden's internal polling, widely reported on last week. He was getting destroyed. The party didn't just overthrow Biden for nothing.
It was a completely unverified claim from Jon Favreau.
We wouldn't have lost THAT many states. This isn't 1980, and Trump isn't Reagan.
But Biden would probably have lost more than Harris did. My guess is that he might have lost most or all of MN, NM, VA, NJ, NH, ME statewide (probably holding onto ME-01), and maybe one or two others, while probably losing more decisively in several states where Harris barely fell short. Which leaves him with probably a near-irreducible minimum for Dems today. And we'd have probably dropped several (many?) more House and Senate seats, as well as more offices downballot.
I don't actually know if Fetterman won that election or if his social media manager did it for him.
Interesting. Although that is a bit like asking whether Trump won the election, or Elon Musk did it for him.
The difference would primarily be that Trump was campaigning all over the place throughout most of this election. Fetterman had to leave most of it to his social media.