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Toiler On the Sea's avatar

Biden right before and after the first debate was polling near where Hardis ended up polling-wise the last two weeks (he was ahead in the June Fox News poll); he only got in the hole after 3 weeks of intra-party civil war.

Yes the age thing may have crippled turnout even more but at the same time the misogyny and "woke" attacks wouldn't have landed as well either.

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Paleo's avatar

That’s right. It was the “intra-party civil war.” Nothing else happened.

And Biden was trailing by an average 3 points in the national vote at the time he dropped out. Harris was running even.

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Tigercourse's avatar

No, the internal polling wasn't showing anything like Harris numbers. He was losing New York, NJ, etc. we might have been left with 3 west coast states, Colorado, CT, CT and Rhode Island. We would have almost certainly lost four more Senate seats and who knows how many house seats.

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Toiler On the Sea's avatar

What are you talking about? At his absolute nadir the worry was he'd lose MN, NH and VA. No-one ever had him losing NY or NJ let alone 45 states . .that's insanity.

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Tigercourse's avatar

... It was Biden's internal polling, widely reported on last week. He was getting destroyed. The party didn't just overthrow Biden for nothing.

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Toiler On the Sea's avatar

It was a completely unverified claim from Jon Favreau.

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