Tariff loving "Progressive Conservative" ex-Collins staffer Golden will be a horrible candidate who's 100 percent going to be a Sinema. We need a unabashed Liberal against Collins to turnout the base and be a consistent vote representing a blue state in the Senate.
Tariff loving "Progressive Conservative" ex-Collins staffer Golden will be a horrible candidate who's 100 percent going to be a Sinema. We need a unabashed Liberal against Collins to turnout the base and be a consistent vote representing a blue state in the Senate.
Probably worth considering primarying Golden if he runs for reelection instead. If the seat flips-nothing changes, Golden is already essentially a Republican.
Golden is a pain in the ass but he's undeniably better than any republican in congress this century. He's generally there when we really need his vote. The difficulty with him is damaging our messaging more than anything.
I'll continue to be annoyed with him but I'd rather have him than a republican any day of the week. Even while annoying I'm glad we have him.
If the only thing he ever does for us is provide a vote for a dem speaker, he will be better than a republican.
Disagree-Golden already is a Republican (just not in Party ID), and if he's not, he's no better than one-I'd rather lose the seat than have him in the house.
He voted for the IRA, which zero republicans in the house and senate did. He supports abortion rights. He's in favor of gun control now, even if he wasn't earlier. He voted for Jeffries to be speaker.
I'm not going to pretend this is some high bar to clear. It isn't. He's the biggest pain in the ass in our congressional caucus and he routinely finds ways to piss us off. He makes tons of bad votes.
But he is clearly and unambiguously to the left of every elected republican in congress right now. He is not a republican. In a country with more than two functioning political parties he wouldn't be a democrat either, and would likely align with a center-right or centrist party. That isn't what the US has though and he is easily better than every republican in congress.
Put another way: What republican member of the house do you think is no worse than him? If he is a de facto republican then there should be a republican with a similar voting record out there. What republican voted for the IRA and to make Jeffries speaker?
I agree with this comment and any Democrats is useful in a Republicans seat than an actual Republican but here's his phony populism on rejecting Build Back Better:
Also, he co-sponsored statehood for DC, opposes efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act and has a good pro-union record (sponsored a bill strengthening union organizing).
Far from being a Republican but I get your sentiment.
I would primary Josh Gottheimer, not Jared Golden.
ItтАЩs not an improbable thing that Gottheimer will stick around if he loses the gubernatorial primary. He represents a waspy, extremely wealthy part of NJ and heтАЩll still want to be relevant in a district which heтАЩs had no problem holding and winning re-election in.
IтАЩm still amazed that Gottheimer pulled off one of the few upset House wins in 2016 by unseating Scott Garrett, who was always notoriously difficult for Democrats to beat in previous elections.
This is not a good analysis. Dems are higher propensity voters and are going to be fired up to vote next year no matter who the nominee is. Golden would have a great chance to beat Collins, but I doubt he'd run against her, so it's a moot point most likely.
Even if he wins, we simply don't need a Manchinema 2.0 when you could run any other normal Democrat. Politicians like him make sense representing a R leaning district in the House but not even a swing state in the Senate. Republicans hate any guy to the left of Reagan, why do we need someone to the right of Sinema? We have had enough of such Liebermans and Manchins already.
Oh, I agree. I think we can beat her with a standard Dem if this year turns out the way we think it's going to. I was just pointing out that saying he's not a good statewide candidate is wrong.
I don't think so. Remember that Maine as a state is not a Blue juggernaut. The Maine House of Reps sits 76 D - 73 R. The Maine Senate is 20 D - 15 R. It had a Republican Governor for almost the entirety of Obama's Presidency. This is no Massachusetts.
+9D in 2020 is definitely a Blue state. By this train of thought, even Minnesota which has a deadlocked house is not a Blue state. State legislative elections have different dynamics to national ones.
Tariff loving "Progressive Conservative" ex-Collins staffer Golden will be a horrible candidate who's 100 percent going to be a Sinema. We need a unabashed Liberal against Collins to turnout the base and be a consistent vote representing a blue state in the Senate.
Probably worth considering primarying Golden if he runs for reelection instead. If the seat flips-nothing changes, Golden is already essentially a Republican.
Golden is a pain in the ass but he's undeniably better than any republican in congress this century. He's generally there when we really need his vote. The difficulty with him is damaging our messaging more than anything.
I'll continue to be annoyed with him but I'd rather have him than a republican any day of the week. Even while annoying I'm glad we have him.
If the only thing he ever does for us is provide a vote for a dem speaker, he will be better than a republican.
Disagree-Golden already is a Republican (just not in Party ID), and if he's not, he's no better than one-I'd rather lose the seat than have him in the house.
No Republican has ever voted 90% of the time for BidenтАЩs policies or for a Democratic House Speaker. Just saying.
He voted for the IRA, which zero republicans in the house and senate did. He supports abortion rights. He's in favor of gun control now, even if he wasn't earlier. He voted for Jeffries to be speaker.
I'm not going to pretend this is some high bar to clear. It isn't. He's the biggest pain in the ass in our congressional caucus and he routinely finds ways to piss us off. He makes tons of bad votes.
But he is clearly and unambiguously to the left of every elected republican in congress right now. He is not a republican. In a country with more than two functioning political parties he wouldn't be a democrat either, and would likely align with a center-right or centrist party. That isn't what the US has though and he is easily better than every republican in congress.
Put another way: What republican member of the house do you think is no worse than him? If he is a de facto republican then there should be a republican with a similar voting record out there. What republican voted for the IRA and to make Jeffries speaker?
He wouldn't have done any of those things if Republicans needed his vote
Well, just because you say so, it must be true.
I agree with this comment and any Democrats is useful in a Republicans seat than an actual Republican but here's his phony populism on rejecting Build Back Better:
https://golden.house.gov/media/press-releases/golden-opposes-tax-breaks-millionaires-commits-working-senate-improve-build
This is nonsense. You'd rather lose the seat? Why on earth would you want to take a vote away from a potential D speakership. C'mon man...
Either way it's a vote for a Republican Speaker
The vote for Speaker of the House changes, that's the most important thing.
If Golden's vote was needed to elect a Republican Speaker, he would vote for the Republican
I highly, highly doubt that.
Based on what? Seriously man, you are just trolling at this point...
He's good enough for the House but definitely not for the Senate.
Worth noting Golden is pro-choice.
Also, he co-sponsored statehood for DC, opposes efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act and has a good pro-union record (sponsored a bill strengthening union organizing).
Far from being a Republican but I get your sentiment.
I would primary Josh Gottheimer, not Jared Golden.
https://www.ontheissues.org/House/Jared_Golden.htm
I wonder if Gottheimer sticks around if he loses the Gubernatorial primary next month.
ItтАЩs not an improbable thing that Gottheimer will stick around if he loses the gubernatorial primary. He represents a waspy, extremely wealthy part of NJ and heтАЩll still want to be relevant in a district which heтАЩs had no problem holding and winning re-election in.
IтАЩm still amazed that Gottheimer pulled off one of the few upset House wins in 2016 by unseating Scott Garrett, who was always notoriously difficult for Democrats to beat in previous elections.
Excuse me, WASPy? He represents the 5th District:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey%27s_5th_congressional_district
Ethnicity
59.2% White
16.2% Hispanic
15.9% Asian
5.2% Black
2.8% Two or more races
0.7% other
I believe there are a lot of Jews and Catholics (particularly Italians) there, too. It's Northern New Jersey. So what are you saying?
This is not a good analysis. Dems are higher propensity voters and are going to be fired up to vote next year no matter who the nominee is. Golden would have a great chance to beat Collins, but I doubt he'd run against her, so it's a moot point most likely.
Even if he wins, we simply don't need a Manchinema 2.0 when you could run any other normal Democrat. Politicians like him make sense representing a R leaning district in the House but not even a swing state in the Senate. Republicans hate any guy to the left of Reagan, why do we need someone to the right of Sinema? We have had enough of such Liebermans and Manchins already.
Oh, I agree. I think we can beat her with a standard Dem if this year turns out the way we think it's going to. I was just pointing out that saying he's not a good statewide candidate is wrong.
Trouble is, any other Democrat isn't running (yet)
I don't think so. Remember that Maine as a state is not a Blue juggernaut. The Maine House of Reps sits 76 D - 73 R. The Maine Senate is 20 D - 15 R. It had a Republican Governor for almost the entirety of Obama's Presidency. This is no Massachusetts.
+9D in 2020 is definitely a Blue state. By this train of thought, even Minnesota which has a deadlocked house is not a Blue state. State legislative elections have different dynamics to national ones.
Presidential toplines are not the be all and end all. Especially outdated ones. It regressed to +7D last year.