She's right. Biden was by far the best president for workers and the most progressive president since Lyndon Johnson. Bernie had a lot to do with that, as his conversations with Biden gave him a lot of ideas he implemented, yet the way Bernie talks often suggests that he was asleep for the last 4 years. And Biden and Harris not being outright socialists isn't a reason why it's not surprising people voted for a fascist felon.
I'm talking about what he's said -after- the election, and you know where you can put your allegations that I'm addressing a straw man. I had been a fan of Sanders since his days as Mayor of Burlington, but his campaign against the Democrats, blaming them and the Republicans for oligarchy, etc, etc, after the last 4 years made me so angry, I attempted - seemingly unsuccessfully - to unsubscribe from his emails.
I don't think this was a particularly ideologically driven result. Blaming progressives seems silly. Blaming moderates also seems silly. Both are actively counterproductive, because we need both groups to win elections.
What I mean is that the voters who were decisive in this election were not particularly concerned with ideology. As such, I think this election tells us very little about the Great Pie Fight between moderates/progressives and should be treated accordingly.
I'm not sure I'd go quite that far, but I do think she ran an above average campaign given the situation we were in. Did a pretty good job clawing back our losses among high-propensity voters. Couldn't overcome the undertow among low-propensity ones.
Maybe. But you know the economy suddenly improves in the eyes of his supporters when he wins elections, and few seem to blame him for the apocalyptic conditions he left the country in in 2020.
The way Biden delivered for progressives and they just let him rot on the curb has got to be one of the most depressing betrayals in history.
I’m just in shock. But, it’s a movement of entitled children who just want mommy to buy the next new toy for them so it’s not surprising.
Are you done with your baiting?
She's right. Biden was by far the best president for workers and the most progressive president since Lyndon Johnson. Bernie had a lot to do with that, as his conversations with Biden gave him a lot of ideas he implemented, yet the way Bernie talks often suggests that he was asleep for the last 4 years. And Biden and Harris not being outright socialists isn't a reason why it's not surprising people voted for a fascist felon.
Nice strawman. And the criticism goes to tactics and strategy. Sanders campaigned hard for both of those candidates.
Biden was fine as a domestic policy president
I'm talking about what he's said -after- the election, and you know where you can put your allegations that I'm addressing a straw man. I had been a fan of Sanders since his days as Mayor of Burlington, but his campaign against the Democrats, blaming them and the Republicans for oligarchy, etc, etc, after the last 4 years made me so angry, I attempted - seemingly unsuccessfully - to unsubscribe from his emails.
I haven't seen any evidence that Harris's loss/Trump's win had anything to do with progressives abandoning ship over Biden. Stein only got 0.5%
I don't think this was a particularly ideologically driven result. Blaming progressives seems silly. Blaming moderates also seems silly. Both are actively counterproductive, because we need both groups to win elections.
You don't think sexism, racism and xenophobia are ideological?
What I mean is that the voters who were decisive in this election were not particularly concerned with ideology. As such, I think this election tells us very little about the Great Pie Fight between moderates/progressives and should be treated accordingly.
well put..this election was over before it began(imo Harris did the best she could)
I'm not sure I'd go quite that far, but I do think she ran an above average campaign given the situation we were in. Did a pretty good job clawing back our losses among high-propensity voters. Couldn't overcome the undertow among low-propensity ones.
She was weighted down by Biden and perceived inflation.. I'm confident that Trump will quickly f things up
He will, but how much will voters blame him and other Republicans, and how much will their opinions even matter?
If he screws up the economy (i.e. recession or another inflationary surge), he'll get blamed. Just like we did.
Maybe. But you know the economy suddenly improves in the eyes of his supporters when he wins elections, and few seem to blame him for the apocalyptic conditions he left the country in in 2020.
Great question
I'm skeptical. You think this election was only about inflation?