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What do you all make of this? crooksandliars.com/2025…
Trump at a January 19 rally:
"He [Musk] knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide."
"It’s only because they rigged the election that I’ll be your president representing you ther…
What do you all make of this? https://crooksandliars.com/2025/01/trump-confessed-election-was-rigged-elon
Trump at a January 19 rally:
"He [Musk] knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide."
"It’s only because they rigged the election that I’ll be your president representing you there."
If the election was stolen from Harris, everything the mainstream media and everyone else has said about how bad the Harris campaign was and why Trump won is bullshit. But I'll bet the mainstream media will ignore or soft-pedal these statements by Trump. It's also possible Trump is bullshitting as usual. But either way, it won't matter. And meanwhile, we all know what the North Carolina Supreme Court is doing.
I’d be very skeptical
Do you think it's a confession?
No, I think he struggles to elucidate. It's like when he goes on about "raking" the rocky, precarious foothills of the San Gabriel mountains. I'm sure there's something to it (i.e. controlled burns to destroy excess dry brush and make firebreaks), but he can't seem to put it together that literally having teams rake the countless acres of rocky inclines is utterly stupidity.
It was also a thing last time around. His strange phrasing created the Qanon boondoggle.
Ethan, I think making Donald the Felon rake the foothills of the San Gabriel mountains would be the perfect sentence for his crimes.
I think there's plenty of evidence that the votes were counted accurately, including in Pennsylvania. They do random checks and didn't find anything strange. Trump is just doing his usual dementia thing.
I'm skeptical that it's grounded in truth. Systemic voter fraud has typical telltale signs in the final vote patterns that I expect election analysts would have picked up. There were no real major divergences between voting in PA compared to any other swing state that I can discern.
I'm open to being wrong but I'd want a critical analysis by people that know what they're doing before I believe it amounts to something real. It does merit investigation though: if someone implies they had an election rigged for them it should be looked into as a matter of course.
Trump is stupid and in severe mental decline. He doesn't know what he's talking about 90% of the time and doesn't know what's possible in general. I'd expect it's either a fundamental misunderstanding of the external help his campaign received, or it's something one of his handlers fed to him hoping he'd say bullshit like this so he could further undermine the democratic process by casting even more doubt on it.
Trump is bullshitting. He’s still whining because he was a sore loser and didn’t like losing. Perhaps to Trump the notion of losing narrowly in each key state is worse than losing in a landslide and by wide double digit margins.
Funny thing is, Musk was not originally a Trump fan. He supported Clinton and Biden over Trump in 2016 and 2020. He wasn’t exactly an “ideologue” but soon after Biden was POTUS Musk turned away from how he felt about him. This had nothing to do with Trump. It had to do with Tesla not being invited to the White House Summit on electric cars.
Musk though was not a stop the steal guy as far as I remember.
History here:
https://www.hindustantimes.com/trending/us-election-results-2024-what-triggered-elon-musk-to-be-donald-trumps-biggest-cheerleader-and-bidens-biggest-critic-101730880654665-amp.html
I have to say it's... Interesting that Trump decided to make his most serious run at an office because Obama stood up to him and Musk might have turned on Biden because he didn't get that invite. Standing up to bullies doesn't always turn out great.
Yeah, sometimes you gotta let the baby have his bottle, so to speak.
Musk seemed to be on his path by 2020.
Musk seems like a casualty of sitting at home rotting his brain during COVID and eventually breaking
Like so many millions around the world sadlt
You're talking about a billionaire nazi. Hitler had a diseased brain, too. I believe that talking about that is missing the point and the threat.
"The social media mind virus"
Yes he was always susceptible to kooky ideas but he was one of the many people who spent WAY too much time online reading conspiracy shit online during Covid and the rational part of his brain melted away during that timespan.
That's not a good reason not to do it. The U.S. is in any case in a period that will lead to its downfall, because no-one will consider agreements or alliances with it to be worth the paper they're printed on, but either way, we need a new Teddy Roosevelt to bust today's huge trusts, just like that was needed at the turn of the 20th century.
Although TR was far from perfect on breaking up large corporations. Ironically his falling out with Taft occurred because Taft broke up a large corporation which TR considered a "good trust."
Which one?
US Steel.
Strange. But US Steel did continue to exist. Why did he think they were a good trust?
TR is such a fascinating figure. I think someone else on this site called Trump a very Sui Generous figure a few weeks back and that certainly also fits Roosevelt to a T.
He didn't break up many trusts, he mostly put in regulations.
But at least he faced down some very powerful, rich people and got the ball rolling.
I recall years ago that the late John McCain was a fan of Teddy Roosevelt.
OK, and he was a sane senator who showed occasional independence. Did he ever try to bust a trust, though? He was one of the Keating Five, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five.
I'm just pointing out what McCain believed. By contrast to today's GOP, McCain had more in common with Teddy Roosevelt as far as being a conservationist and pro-environment (although even McCain's environmental voting record while better to most in the GOP today was more mixed).
If I am able to find more of what was mentioned in this article about this topic, I'll share in this comment or a separate one.
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/us/politics/13mccain.html
I just got more from the NY Times article, which was published on July 13th, over a month before the 2008 RNC Convention:
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/us/politics/13mccain.html
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Senator John McCain in a wide-ranging interview called for a government that is frugal but more active than many conservatives might prefer. He said government should play an important role in areas like addressing climate change, regulating campaign finance and taking care of “those in America who cannot take care of themselves.”
“I count myself as a conservative Republican, yet I view it to a large degree in the Theodore Roosevelt mold,” Mr. McCain said, referring to Roosevelt’s reputation for reform, environmentalism and tough foreign policy.
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Mr. McCain has long admired Roosevelt, and in the interview he identified with him as a fellow reformer and environmentalist and also touched on his assertive foreign policy. The choice might to some extent be an indication of how Mr. McCain would like to position himself now that he has moved from the primary to the general election.
“I believe less governance is the best governance, and that government should not do what the free enterprise and private enterprise and individual entrepreneurship and the states can do, but I also believe there is a role for government,” Mr. McCain said. He added: “Government should take care of those in America who can not take care of themselves.”
Cool. He waffled a lot on stuff like that, but at least he was not an extremist and thought for himself.
Funny thing is, Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign mirrored Pat Buchanan’s. In fact, Buchanan himself ran in the Reform Party to (according to Jesse Ventura, who was Governor of Minnesota at the time) infiltrate it for his own needs such as paying off campaign debts.
Obama though was the “final straw” for Trump although per Howard Stern, Trump ran for POTUS as a publicity stunt in response to the ratings of the Apprentice.
If there was substance to the claim of "stolen presidential election" being made by some Democrats, then I really do think Marc Elias would be all over it. I have yet to see him mention these claims in his Democracy Docket newsletter, although I admit I don’t always have time to read every word.
That said, what the NC Supreme Court is doing is a heinous attempt at election theft. If a Democratic-controlled state supreme court was doing something similar, the national outcry would be ten times as loud.
Stealing seems more likely by legal means: Striking voters from the voter lists; rejecting absentee and provisional ballots in Democratic areas; preventing voters from voting due to "unacceptable" ID; etc.