Trump is bullshitting. He’s still whining because he was a sore loser and didn’t like losing. Perhaps to Trump the notion of losing narrowly in each key state is worse than losing in a landslide and by wide double digit margins.
Funny thing is, Musk was not originally a Trump fan. He supported Clinton and Biden over Trump in 2016 and 2020…
Trump is bullshitting. He’s still whining because he was a sore loser and didn’t like losing. Perhaps to Trump the notion of losing narrowly in each key state is worse than losing in a landslide and by wide double digit margins.
Funny thing is, Musk was not originally a Trump fan. He supported Clinton and Biden over Trump in 2016 and 2020. He wasn’t exactly an “ideologue” but soon after Biden was POTUS Musk turned away from how he felt about him. This had nothing to do with Trump. It had to do with Tesla not being invited to the White House Summit on electric cars.
Musk though was not a stop the steal guy as far as I remember.
I have to say it's... Interesting that Trump decided to make his most serious run at an office because Obama stood up to him and Musk might have turned on Biden because he didn't get that invite. Standing up to bullies doesn't always turn out great.
Yes he was always susceptible to kooky ideas but he was one of the many people who spent WAY too much time online reading conspiracy shit online during Covid and the rational part of his brain melted away during that timespan.
That's not a good reason not to do it. The U.S. is in any case in a period that will lead to its downfall, because no-one will consider agreements or alliances with it to be worth the paper they're printed on, but either way, we need a new Teddy Roosevelt to bust today's huge trusts, just like that was needed at the turn of the 20th century.
Although TR was far from perfect on breaking up large corporations. Ironically his falling out with Taft occurred because Taft broke up a large corporation which TR considered a "good trust."
TR is such a fascinating figure. I think someone else on this site called Trump a very Sui Generous figure a few weeks back and that certainly also fits Roosevelt to a T.
OK, and he was a sane senator who showed occasional independence. Did he ever try to bust a trust, though? He was one of the Keating Five, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five.
I'm just pointing out what McCain believed. By contrast to today's GOP, McCain had more in common with Teddy Roosevelt as far as being a conservationist and pro-environment (although even McCain's environmental voting record while better to most in the GOP today was more mixed).
If I am able to find more of what was mentioned in this article about this topic, I'll share in this comment or a separate one.
Senator John McCain in a wide-ranging interview called for a government that is frugal but more active than many conservatives might prefer. He said government should play an important role in areas like addressing climate change, regulating campaign finance and taking care of “those in America who cannot take care of themselves.”
“I count myself as a conservative Republican, yet I view it to a large degree in the Theodore Roosevelt mold,” Mr. McCain said, referring to Roosevelt’s reputation for reform, environmentalism and tough foreign policy.
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Mr. McCain has long admired Roosevelt, and in the interview he identified with him as a fellow reformer and environmentalist and also touched on his assertive foreign policy. The choice might to some extent be an indication of how Mr. McCain would like to position himself now that he has moved from the primary to the general election.
“I believe less governance is the best governance, and that government should not do what the free enterprise and private enterprise and individual entrepreneurship and the states can do, but I also believe there is a role for government,” Mr. McCain said. He added: “Government should take care of those in America who can not take care of themselves.”
Funny thing is, Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign mirrored Pat Buchanan’s. In fact, Buchanan himself ran in the Reform Party to (according to Jesse Ventura, who was Governor of Minnesota at the time) infiltrate it for his own needs such as paying off campaign debts.
Obama though was the “final straw” for Trump although per Howard Stern, Trump ran for POTUS as a publicity stunt in response to the ratings of the Apprentice.
Trump is bullshitting. He’s still whining because he was a sore loser and didn’t like losing. Perhaps to Trump the notion of losing narrowly in each key state is worse than losing in a landslide and by wide double digit margins.
Funny thing is, Musk was not originally a Trump fan. He supported Clinton and Biden over Trump in 2016 and 2020. He wasn’t exactly an “ideologue” but soon after Biden was POTUS Musk turned away from how he felt about him. This had nothing to do with Trump. It had to do with Tesla not being invited to the White House Summit on electric cars.
Musk though was not a stop the steal guy as far as I remember.
History here:
https://www.hindustantimes.com/trending/us-election-results-2024-what-triggered-elon-musk-to-be-donald-trumps-biggest-cheerleader-and-bidens-biggest-critic-101730880654665-amp.html
I have to say it's... Interesting that Trump decided to make his most serious run at an office because Obama stood up to him and Musk might have turned on Biden because he didn't get that invite. Standing up to bullies doesn't always turn out great.
Yeah, sometimes you gotta let the baby have his bottle, so to speak.
Musk seemed to be on his path by 2020.
Musk seems like a casualty of sitting at home rotting his brain during COVID and eventually breaking
Like so many millions around the world sadlt
You're talking about a billionaire nazi. Hitler had a diseased brain, too. I believe that talking about that is missing the point and the threat.
"The social media mind virus"
Yes he was always susceptible to kooky ideas but he was one of the many people who spent WAY too much time online reading conspiracy shit online during Covid and the rational part of his brain melted away during that timespan.
That's not a good reason not to do it. The U.S. is in any case in a period that will lead to its downfall, because no-one will consider agreements or alliances with it to be worth the paper they're printed on, but either way, we need a new Teddy Roosevelt to bust today's huge trusts, just like that was needed at the turn of the 20th century.
Although TR was far from perfect on breaking up large corporations. Ironically his falling out with Taft occurred because Taft broke up a large corporation which TR considered a "good trust."
Which one?
US Steel.
Strange. But US Steel did continue to exist. Why did he think they were a good trust?
TR is such a fascinating figure. I think someone else on this site called Trump a very Sui Generous figure a few weeks back and that certainly also fits Roosevelt to a T.
He didn't break up many trusts, he mostly put in regulations.
But at least he faced down some very powerful, rich people and got the ball rolling.
I recall years ago that the late John McCain was a fan of Teddy Roosevelt.
OK, and he was a sane senator who showed occasional independence. Did he ever try to bust a trust, though? He was one of the Keating Five, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five.
I'm just pointing out what McCain believed. By contrast to today's GOP, McCain had more in common with Teddy Roosevelt as far as being a conservationist and pro-environment (although even McCain's environmental voting record while better to most in the GOP today was more mixed).
If I am able to find more of what was mentioned in this article about this topic, I'll share in this comment or a separate one.
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/us/politics/13mccain.html
I just got more from the NY Times article, which was published on July 13th, over a month before the 2008 RNC Convention:
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/us/politics/13mccain.html
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Senator John McCain in a wide-ranging interview called for a government that is frugal but more active than many conservatives might prefer. He said government should play an important role in areas like addressing climate change, regulating campaign finance and taking care of “those in America who cannot take care of themselves.”
“I count myself as a conservative Republican, yet I view it to a large degree in the Theodore Roosevelt mold,” Mr. McCain said, referring to Roosevelt’s reputation for reform, environmentalism and tough foreign policy.
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Mr. McCain has long admired Roosevelt, and in the interview he identified with him as a fellow reformer and environmentalist and also touched on his assertive foreign policy. The choice might to some extent be an indication of how Mr. McCain would like to position himself now that he has moved from the primary to the general election.
“I believe less governance is the best governance, and that government should not do what the free enterprise and private enterprise and individual entrepreneurship and the states can do, but I also believe there is a role for government,” Mr. McCain said. He added: “Government should take care of those in America who can not take care of themselves.”
Cool. He waffled a lot on stuff like that, but at least he was not an extremist and thought for himself.
Funny thing is, Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign mirrored Pat Buchanan’s. In fact, Buchanan himself ran in the Reform Party to (according to Jesse Ventura, who was Governor of Minnesota at the time) infiltrate it for his own needs such as paying off campaign debts.
Obama though was the “final straw” for Trump although per Howard Stern, Trump ran for POTUS as a publicity stunt in response to the ratings of the Apprentice.