I would argue that they DO care about those things. They just want THEIR issues to be addressed and not "those people"'s. The New Deal was popular precisely because it almost exclusively benefitted White southerners and (White) "ethnic" voters in the Northeast and Midwest. The only way Ye Olde New Deal Coalition would and will ever be recreated is if the national demographics just magically reverted back to what they were in the 1930s/1940s.
"Last hired and first fired" would not have become a saying for African Americans during the Depression years if my statement weren't true. Not to mention despite having a PwD in the White House, if anything we actually went BACKWARD on disability rights during his Presidency. Subminimum wages were introduced.
I never said there were no benefits given to African Americans. Even Strom Thurmond - who in the 1930s and 1940s (prior to his 1948 run for President) was a VERY hardcore New Dealer - supported SOME social programs for African Americans. There is no getting around however that those who benefitted the most from said programs were those whom I described. "Almost exclusively" does not mean "exclusively." My point is that those same programs would not get nearly the same support today because of race and the fact that left populism doesn't appeal nearly as much to people who feel they have "made it."
My argument would be that the 1936 election was a major realignment of AA voters from the Republican party to the Democratic party; that tells me that black voters thought that Roosevelt was trying hard to benefit them(that's how politics works); it's clearly a debatable topic but I stick to my opinion above
My point exactly; if blacks were not benefiting from the New Deal, I find it highly unlikely that for the first time in history they would abandon the Party of Lincoln and vote Democratic; and just because this person thinks he can attack me personally and with ad hominem insults will somehow get me to change my opinion is laughable to say the least(every post I've made here has been extremely anodyne); as opposed to personal\ad hominem from him
I would argue that they DO care about those things. They just want THEIR issues to be addressed and not "those people"'s. The New Deal was popular precisely because it almost exclusively benefitted White southerners and (White) "ethnic" voters in the Northeast and Midwest. The only way Ye Olde New Deal Coalition would and will ever be recreated is if the national demographics just magically reverted back to what they were in the 1930s/1940s.
Well stated, but isn't it an exaggeration to say that the New Deal "almost exclusively benefitted" whites?
Millions of non whites benefited imo
"Last hired and first fired" would not have become a saying for African Americans during the Depression years if my statement weren't true. Not to mention despite having a PwD in the White House, if anything we actually went BACKWARD on disability rights during his Presidency. Subminimum wages were introduced.
Nobody would claim that Black people were first hired and last fired, but they did benefit, or at least some of them did.
I never said there were no benefits given to African Americans. Even Strom Thurmond - who in the 1930s and 1940s (prior to his 1948 run for President) was a VERY hardcore New Dealer - supported SOME social programs for African Americans. There is no getting around however that those who benefitted the most from said programs were those whom I described. "Almost exclusively" does not mean "exclusively." My point is that those same programs would not get nearly the same support today because of race and the fact that left populism doesn't appeal nearly as much to people who feel they have "made it."
I definitely take your point.
My argument would be that the 1936 election was a major realignment of AA voters from the Republican party to the Democratic party; that tells me that black voters thought that Roosevelt was trying hard to benefit them(that's how politics works); it's clearly a debatable topic but I stick to my opinion above
IIRC, 1936 was the first time that a Democrat won the Black vote in a Presidential election. FDR lost the Black vote in 1932.
My point exactly; if blacks were not benefiting from the New Deal, I find it highly unlikely that for the first time in history they would abandon the Party of Lincoln and vote Democratic; and just because this person thinks he can attack me personally and with ad hominem insults will somehow get me to change my opinion is laughable to say the least(every post I've made here has been extremely anodyne); as opposed to personal\ad hominem from him
I don't agree
Then why "last fired and first fired?"
I think that millions of non whites benefited from the New Deal; I stick to that opinion; pretty simple
No answer for "last hired and first fired." Sorry, we Democrats are supposed to be the reality based party.
I think that millions of non whites benefited from the New Deal; I stick to that opinion; pretty simple
"Because I said so" is how five year olds and Trumpers reason.
I think that millions of non whites benefited from the New Deal; I stick to that opinion; pretty simple
Pretty sure I just peeped which former Kossack this is, lol.