Doesn't help the GOP that Trump's Nazi rally also targeted the Puerto Rican communities. Wonder if that might serve as a motivator to any on the fence in Florida.
Indeed. Except instead of costing Republicans New York as the Three R's did in 1884, it costs them Pennsylvania, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, and maybe Florida.
Those "jokes" about Puerto Rico and Latinos seem to have really broken through, at least from what I've seen online. I share an office with a guy from Mexico and he even brought it up to me this morning. We've never discussed anything political and we live in Canada!
Suggested topic of further conversation, Donald J. TrumpтАЩs own comment when he refused to approve reimbursing the family of murdered soldier Vanessa Guill├йn's for their funeral costs: "It doesn't cost 60,000 bucks to bury a fucking Mexican."
That one didnтАЩt seem to get quite as much play as the PR тАЬjokeтАЭ did. I donтАЩt recall the rush to disavow that statement like happened last night. I wonder if itтАЩs because it was Trump himself making that comment and people are just immune to him spewing hatred.
This really makes me wonder about "Trumpism without Trump" going forward. If Trump had said this, almost no one would care because he's said 100 worse things. Makes me skeptical that someone like Vance or DeSantis can take up the torch.
Trumpism doesn't work without Trump, because his hypothetical successors are all politicians who can never replicate the authenticity that Trump has (because Trump is a typical Fox News viewer in truth).
DeSantis tried it and collapsed, because he's a politician and not your racist uncle who watches 20 hours of Hannity every day and screams at the TV.
That's part of what struck me as being so odd. He has no connection to the US (at least no close family) and he doesn't consume any English-language media!
They're talking about it in a very international community in Norway (to my great distress, there is an unending BBC News stream, which is just god-awfully unwatchable).
I'm just here for work, but that a bunch of young white men (particularly when they live in a fairly conservative, ethnically homogenous, and highly insular country) would support a racist isn't a shock in any way to me.
Scandinavia is culturally conservative in a way itтАЩs hard for non-Scandis to grasp. Left wing economically, sure, and socially tolerant due to very low religiosity even by European standards, but the idea of the Nordics as a cold hippie paradise is woefully outdated
Similar to the Netherlands as well. Liberal in a lot of ways, but there is a very deep undercurrent of conservatism everywhere, largely due to Calvinism still influencing even non-religious people. Yes they were the first country to legalize same-sex marriage and they have not-quite-so-illegal marijuana, but that happened over 20 years ago.
I'm not sure I understand. Does that fact that it happened over 20 years ago make the country more socially conservative than places that still haven't taken those steps or took them more recently?
I'm saying that while the Netherlands was progressive concerning same-sex marriage and recreational drugs, they are still socially conservative in many other ways, particularly regarding race issues and immigration. The idea of the Netherlands as a hippie paradise is outdated. In 2000 it could be considered very progressive compared to the rest of the world. In 2024 places not often considered progressive, like South Africa and Thailand, have caught up to the Netherlands on LGBT rights and drug policy.
I'm not sure why South Africa would not often be considered progressive. LGBT rights are guaranteed in their post-apartheid constitution, for example. But turning against immigration is not the same kind of social conservatism as supporting the criminalization of pot use, abortion, contraception or gay sex.
"There is literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. I think it's called Puerto Rico?"
тАУ Tony Hinchcliffe
DAMNING: The Trump campaign itself tried to distance itself from the тАЬfloating island of garbageтАЭ quotation, only to be met with comments pointing out that HinchcliffeтАЩs set had been vetted and uploaded to the teleprompters.
Doesn't help the GOP that Trump's Nazi rally also targeted the Puerto Rican communities. Wonder if that might serve as a motivator to any on the fence in Florida.
If it's properly publicized, it can only help; there are 1.1 million Puerto Ricans in Florida
Run, Romanism and Rebellion redux?
Rum(and yes)
Indeed. Except instead of costing Republicans New York as the Three R's did in 1884, it costs them Pennsylvania, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, and maybe Florida.
Those "jokes" about Puerto Rico and Latinos seem to have really broken through, at least from what I've seen online. I share an office with a guy from Mexico and he even brought it up to me this morning. We've never discussed anything political and we live in Canada!
Suggested topic of further conversation, Donald J. TrumpтАЩs own comment when he refused to approve reimbursing the family of murdered soldier Vanessa Guill├йn's for their funeral costs: "It doesn't cost 60,000 bucks to bury a fucking Mexican."
That one didnтАЩt seem to get quite as much play as the PR тАЬjokeтАЭ did. I donтАЩt recall the rush to disavow that statement like happened last night. I wonder if itтАЩs because it was Trump himself making that comment and people are just immune to him spewing hatred.
And it was reported in a newspaper that he said it, several years ago. This was a well-known comic saying it on national tv at a major political rally
This really makes me wonder about "Trumpism without Trump" going forward. If Trump had said this, almost no one would care because he's said 100 worse things. Makes me skeptical that someone like Vance or DeSantis can take up the torch.
Yeah, it's a perverse irony that the statement has more potential for damage coming from some "comedian's" mouth than it would have coming from Trump.
Trumpism doesn't work without Trump, because his hypothetical successors are all politicians who can never replicate the authenticity that Trump has (because Trump is a typical Fox News viewer in truth).
DeSantis tried it and collapsed, because he's a politician and not your racist uncle who watches 20 hours of Hannity every day and screams at the TV.
Yeah thatтАЩs the one thing that really seemed to catch fire out of that rally, but it only takes one thing
He's got relatives in the states; hoping he spreads the word to contacts(social media or whatever)
That's part of what struck me as being so odd. He has no connection to the US (at least no close family) and he doesn't consume any English-language media!
They're talking about it in a very international community in Norway (to my great distress, there is an unending BBC News stream, which is just god-awfully unwatchable).
I hope it's spread far and wide
Caspian, are you in Norway? I was shocked by this report indicating that 47% of Norwegian young men surveyed prefer Trump.
https://www.nrk.no/norge/47-prosent-av-unge-norske-menn-ville-stemt-pa-trump-1.17097282
Theres no reason to expect that the right wing turn among young men would be limited to the US.
The realignment of Western politics onto lines of gender and education rather than class is indeed a Western phenomenon
Which countries is it true of, other than the U.S.? Poland and Hungary, I think. Where else?
If there is one in the U.S. What actual voting so far has shown one?
TrumpтАЩs Election College victory in 2016.
Trump won white votes, but what do we know about the votes of young white men in particular?
I'm just here for work, but that a bunch of young white men (particularly when they live in a fairly conservative, ethnically homogenous, and highly insular country) would support a racist isn't a shock in any way to me.
Scandinavia is culturally conservative in a way itтАЩs hard for non-Scandis to grasp. Left wing economically, sure, and socially tolerant due to very low religiosity even by European standards, but the idea of the Nordics as a cold hippie paradise is woefully outdated
Similar to the Netherlands as well. Liberal in a lot of ways, but there is a very deep undercurrent of conservatism everywhere, largely due to Calvinism still influencing even non-religious people. Yes they were the first country to legalize same-sex marriage and they have not-quite-so-illegal marijuana, but that happened over 20 years ago.
I'm not sure I understand. Does that fact that it happened over 20 years ago make the country more socially conservative than places that still haven't taken those steps or took them more recently?
I'm saying that while the Netherlands was progressive concerning same-sex marriage and recreational drugs, they are still socially conservative in many other ways, particularly regarding race issues and immigration. The idea of the Netherlands as a hippie paradise is outdated. In 2000 it could be considered very progressive compared to the rest of the world. In 2024 places not often considered progressive, like South Africa and Thailand, have caught up to the Netherlands on LGBT rights and drug policy.
I'm not sure why South Africa would not often be considered progressive. LGBT rights are guaranteed in their post-apartheid constitution, for example. But turning against immigration is not the same kind of social conservatism as supporting the criminalization of pot use, abortion, contraception or gay sex.
"There is literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. I think it's called Puerto Rico?"
тАУ Tony Hinchcliffe
DAMNING: The Trump campaign itself tried to distance itself from the тАЬfloating island of garbageтАЭ quotation, only to be met with comments pointing out that HinchcliffeтАЩs set had been vetted and uploaded to the teleprompters.
Closing strong lol.
It's one thing if political nerds like us talk about this. It is another when celebrities like Bad Bunny and Jennifer Lopez talk about this.
Cue every Spanish language radio host and Latin music DJ, please.
Apparently the Spanish radio stations in the Lehigh Valley and Reading have been going ballistic