They're talking about it in a very international community in Norway (to my great distress, there is an unending BBC News stream, which is just god-awfully unwatchable).
I'm just here for work, but that a bunch of young white men (particularly when they live in a fairly conservative, ethnically homogenous, and highly insular country) would support a racist isn't a shock in any way to me.
Scandinavia is culturally conservative in a way itтАЩs hard for non-Scandis to grasp. Left wing economically, sure, and socially tolerant due to very low religiosity even by European standards, but the idea of the Nordics as a cold hippie paradise is woefully outdated
Similar to the Netherlands as well. Liberal in a lot of ways, but there is a very deep undercurrent of conservatism everywhere, largely due to Calvinism still influencing even non-religious people. Yes they were the first country to legalize same-sex marriage and they have not-quite-so-illegal marijuana, but that happened over 20 years ago.
I'm not sure I understand. Does that fact that it happened over 20 years ago make the country more socially conservative than places that still haven't taken those steps or took them more recently?
I'm saying that while the Netherlands was progressive concerning same-sex marriage and recreational drugs, they are still socially conservative in many other ways, particularly regarding race issues and immigration. The idea of the Netherlands as a hippie paradise is outdated. In 2000 it could be considered very progressive compared to the rest of the world. In 2024 places not often considered progressive, like South Africa and Thailand, have caught up to the Netherlands on LGBT rights and drug policy.
I'm not sure why South Africa would not often be considered progressive. LGBT rights are guaranteed in their post-apartheid constitution, for example. But turning against immigration is not the same kind of social conservatism as supporting the criminalization of pot use, abortion, contraception or gay sex.
They're talking about it in a very international community in Norway (to my great distress, there is an unending BBC News stream, which is just god-awfully unwatchable).
I hope it's spread far and wide
Caspian, are you in Norway? I was shocked by this report indicating that 47% of Norwegian young men surveyed prefer Trump.
https://www.nrk.no/norge/47-prosent-av-unge-norske-menn-ville-stemt-pa-trump-1.17097282
Theres no reason to expect that the right wing turn among young men would be limited to the US.
The realignment of Western politics onto lines of gender and education rather than class is indeed a Western phenomenon
Which countries is it true of, other than the U.S.? Poland and Hungary, I think. Where else?
If there is one in the U.S. What actual voting so far has shown one?
TrumpтАЩs Election College victory in 2016.
Trump won white votes, but what do we know about the votes of young white men in particular?
I'm just here for work, but that a bunch of young white men (particularly when they live in a fairly conservative, ethnically homogenous, and highly insular country) would support a racist isn't a shock in any way to me.
Scandinavia is culturally conservative in a way itтАЩs hard for non-Scandis to grasp. Left wing economically, sure, and socially tolerant due to very low religiosity even by European standards, but the idea of the Nordics as a cold hippie paradise is woefully outdated
Similar to the Netherlands as well. Liberal in a lot of ways, but there is a very deep undercurrent of conservatism everywhere, largely due to Calvinism still influencing even non-religious people. Yes they were the first country to legalize same-sex marriage and they have not-quite-so-illegal marijuana, but that happened over 20 years ago.
I'm not sure I understand. Does that fact that it happened over 20 years ago make the country more socially conservative than places that still haven't taken those steps or took them more recently?
I'm saying that while the Netherlands was progressive concerning same-sex marriage and recreational drugs, they are still socially conservative in many other ways, particularly regarding race issues and immigration. The idea of the Netherlands as a hippie paradise is outdated. In 2000 it could be considered very progressive compared to the rest of the world. In 2024 places not often considered progressive, like South Africa and Thailand, have caught up to the Netherlands on LGBT rights and drug policy.
I'm not sure why South Africa would not often be considered progressive. LGBT rights are guaranteed in their post-apartheid constitution, for example. But turning against immigration is not the same kind of social conservatism as supporting the criminalization of pot use, abortion, contraception or gay sex.