Which is something that we will need to address. Unfortunately the zero sum argument that males are being left behind by Democrats sells very well with them.
In the (correct) effort to uplift women's equality and opportunity, I think alot of folks figured men would *always* be fine and it seemed like no one was paying attention to their unique developmental needs.
As a white heterosexual male who was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome - now Autism Level I - I have often felt (particularly in my younger days before I managed to go on to obtain both a BA and MA as well as gainful employment) that my needs weren't being met due to the fact that many assumed I didn't have needs. I do worry that SOME on the left operate on the notion that regardless of their circumstances, all white men have it made. TLDR, I don't completely blame them for that.
15 for me. I was THE first person in my high school to have been diagnosed with AS. They didn't have a clue on how to deal with it. My point above having been made, none of that means I am unsympathetic to other minorities getting their needs met. Far from it.
"I do worry that SOME on the left operate on the notion that regardless of their circumstances, all white men have it made."
Just who is it that you're worrying about, and how are their actions showing this? Aren't most government policies that aim to help the non-super-rich colorblind and for men and women alike?
Exactly. As I often have to tell people, most people wouldn't recognize Autism - save for the Level 3 types - if it jumped up and bit them in the butt.
The point is that Autism is still often not understood because many of the challenges that come with it are social rather than intellectual or physical. Society is simply MUCH more forgiving of those with intellectual or physical differences than social because the first two are much more cut and dry. Most people cannot tell that I am on the Spectrum unless either #1. I tell them or #2. they are quite familiar with it. As a result it is often much harder to get issues addressed because people think there are no issues to address. In their eyes, I and others can come across as a spoiled brat. Not intentional, but the perception is very much there.
My read on polling of Gen Z is that Gen Z men are a bit more GOP than Millennial men and a bit less than Boomer men; the difference is that Gen Z women are *way* more Democratic in comparison to Millennial women and Boomer women in terms of where the rough gender gap lands
Overall my guess would be that white Gen Z men are more GOP in comparison to white millennial men, but the difference is smaller than people think, and the drop that exists is likely negated by it being a less white group. Overall, I'm guessing its largely a wash.
Florida anecdotally -- worked there in the 2012, 2014, 2016 cycles when South Florida was still reasonably full of what you'd imagine are the Del Boca Vista / Helen & Morty Seinfeld demos -- older liberal folks from NY, NJ, CT who were retiring to a sunny climate. Trouble is, even then most of them were in their 80s and 90s (I had a few solid volunteers sadly pass away during the campaigns). That FDR generation is dying out and being replaced in FL by cranky conservatives from the midwest.
The 2000 election was the peak of the Del Boca Vista/Helen & Morty Seinfeld era in south Florida. It started to show cracks quickly thereafter as they aged out and became outnumbered by the next generation of oldster newcomers.
Most people don't change their ideology once they reach adulthood (though some certainly do). Those born early-1930s to 1948 and from 1955 to 1979 tend to be Republicans, while those born to the early-1930s, 1948 to 1954, and since 1979 tend to be Democrats.
Just as my generation - Generation Y - came of age during the Bush the Younger administration and thus associate the Republican Party with the failures of Iraq and the Wall Street crash.
Because they came of age during the Truman administration and they associate the Democratic Party with the rise of the "red menace" in the late 1940s/early 1950s.
My parents were born in 1929 and 1932 and neither was ever a Republican. They lived through the war and like other American children, they contributed to the war effort. The fact that they attained adulthood during the Truman and Eisenhower years didn't override their childhood. Are you sure the heavily Republican cohort goes back as far as you're saying? Someone born in 1932 knew no president except for FDR until they were about 12.
The border is somewhere around 1933, essentially those with a strong memory of the end of WWII. Not that anecdotes are determinative in a conversation like this.
I'd say that younger gen X (including me) tend to be more in line with Millennial voting trends. Difference is if you came of age politically during Reagan or Clinton.
Those born mid-1930s to 1944 and 1960 to 1975 are the more extreme conservatives. The younger end of the GOP generation had their parents raving about Reagan and the fall of the Soviet Union. Clinton became far more popular among the younger generation once he was seen as fighting the GOP congress, particular after his re-election. It's also worth noting that younger voters have always had lower participation rates, so those more apt to vote aren't necessarily representative of their peers.
I think it's strange that an entire cohort of voters is Republican because they came of age during the Eisenhower Administration, which was not very conservative, and there is absolutely no doubt that Eisenhower would be outraged by Trump and other isolationist/collaborationists and habitual liars and would have never supported them. It must be all about labels to them.
For Gen Xers I think there's a dividing line around 1973-74 births. Too much of the older half of the generation votes like every election forever is Reagan vs. Carter or Mondale. The younger half really came of political age in the 1990s, and might remember Reagan as a positive part of childhood nostalgia but, when it started voting, did so based on later candidates and issues.
Thats absolutely true for me. I was born in 1976, but my first vote was only in 2000. I was living in Canada in 1996 and didn't follow US politics that closely anyway. I actually followed 1992 more closely as a 15 year old.
This sounds about right; the 1984 election had lasting effects for those voting the first time(Mondale was my first vote, but unlike many 18-20 year olds voting for the first time, I knew he had zero chance but still voted straight ticket D)
We're just about the same age, then. The difference is that I tried to be in denial about the opinion polls, based on the idea that the only poll that really mattered was on Election Day, and when my polling place in Manhattan was crowded, I tried to argue that turnout helps the Democrats - and then was mortified that Reagan won even my home state of New York.
Yeah, it's a razor's edge. I grew up with Reagan (and mostly liked him), but then my first vote was Bill Clinton (and that hellscape Pat Buchanan convention speech sealed the deal with my affiliation).
I've generally drifted a bit more left each passing year.
I really agree with this and I see it on Facebook. I was born in 1976 and lived in near suburban Philadelphia between 4th grade and 12th grade. The people who are older than me that I see on Facebook (typically graduated from late 1980s to early 1990s) are MUCH more Republican, particularly men. A lot have moved to places like the Philadelphia exurbs and Florida. By contrast, the people more my sister's age, who graduated from the late 1990s to early 2000s are almost across the board Democrats/liberals. Interestingly, this younger group has tended to stay in the near Philadelphia suburbs or the city itself. Or if they have moved, it is more likely to somewhere like New York City.
The most conservative cohort of living Americans are late Boomers/early GenXers. Those late Boomers are into their 70s now. So the next 10-15 years of retirees will be pretty conservative and drive places with high retire populations like FL and AZ to be redder than they otherwise would have been.
I don't know how you define "late Boomers" but we are not in our 70s yet. People born in 1954 or before are 70 and over. Any birth year after that we are in our 60s. As much as it pains me to think of my generation as the most conservative one still around, don't make me older than I am! I was born in 1958 and am age 66. Barack Obama (1961), Kamala Harris and Tim Walz (both 1964) are all late boomers...
I agree completely; I was born in 1965(which I believe is considered the first year of Generation X);apologies if I am wrong but I am thinking our group is the most conservative up until those born around 1972(I would say those born from around 1956-1972)
The second half off the boomers so 1955-1964. So the oldest late Boomers will be 70 next year. So you are right - I was a little ungenerous in my estimate.
Huh, AZ is kinda counterintuitive, though with it being a retiree Mecca I guess it makes a sort of sense
When did retirees become so Republican? I remember that they used to be a core part of the Democratic base. When did they realign to the GOP?
I think those days are gone...WWII/New Deal coalition is largely out of the electorate and Boomers skew GOP.
At least in this election, it looks like Gen Z does more than boomers.
Quite possibly among Gen Z males...though we'll see what the exits say
Which is something that we will need to address. Unfortunately the zero sum argument that males are being left behind by Democrats sells very well with them.
First generation that has gotten their political education from fringe YouTubers and podcasters. We live in an era defined by lack of consensus.
Do you blame them for feeling that way? I can understand why they might feel that way even if I don't agree with them.
In the (correct) effort to uplift women's equality and opportunity, I think alot of folks figured men would *always* be fine and it seemed like no one was paying attention to their unique developmental needs.
See my comments above.
Dems just need to have a coalition of women and intelligent men
The incels will die off sooner or later.
By definition, we know they're not having kids!
Yes I do blame them. But you'll tell us how the Democrats are somehow not concerned with or trying to help young men...
As a white heterosexual male who was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome - now Autism Level I - I have often felt (particularly in my younger days before I managed to go on to obtain both a BA and MA as well as gainful employment) that my needs weren't being met due to the fact that many assumed I didn't have needs. I do worry that SOME on the left operate on the notion that regardless of their circumstances, all white men have it made. TLDR, I don't completely blame them for that.
Agreed and my experience mirrors yours, though I wasn't diagnosed until I was 46.
15 for me. I was THE first person in my high school to have been diagnosed with AS. They didn't have a clue on how to deal with it. My point above having been made, none of that means I am unsympathetic to other minorities getting their needs met. Far from it.
I’m on the spectrum but very high-functioning. Unlike others on the spectrum I’m very extroverted and like having friends.
"I do worry that SOME on the left operate on the notion that regardless of their circumstances, all white men have it made."
Just who is it that you're worrying about, and how are their actions showing this? Aren't most government policies that aim to help the non-super-rich colorblind and for men and women alike?
I think this is more a cultural issue than a policy issue.
Exactly. As I often have to tell people, most people wouldn't recognize Autism - save for the Level 3 types - if it jumped up and bit them in the butt.
The point is that Autism is still often not understood because many of the challenges that come with it are social rather than intellectual or physical. Society is simply MUCH more forgiving of those with intellectual or physical differences than social because the first two are much more cut and dry. Most people cannot tell that I am on the Spectrum unless either #1. I tell them or #2. they are quite familiar with it. As a result it is often much harder to get issues addressed because people think there are no issues to address. In their eyes, I and others can come across as a spoiled brat. Not intentional, but the perception is very much there.
That's not about men vs. women, is it?
My read on polling of Gen Z is that Gen Z men are a bit more GOP than Millennial men and a bit less than Boomer men; the difference is that Gen Z women are *way* more Democratic in comparison to Millennial women and Boomer women in terms of where the rough gender gap lands
Overall my guess would be that white Gen Z men are more GOP in comparison to white millennial men, but the difference is smaller than people think, and the drop that exists is likely negated by it being a less white group. Overall, I'm guessing its largely a wash.
I’d say that’s a sound guess
This would be exactly my take. Gen Z leans strongly Dem (and always will).
I think we better wait for next week to speculate too deeply about how Democratic nonwhite Gen Z men are.
Exactly.
Florida anecdotally -- worked there in the 2012, 2014, 2016 cycles when South Florida was still reasonably full of what you'd imagine are the Del Boca Vista / Helen & Morty Seinfeld demos -- older liberal folks from NY, NJ, CT who were retiring to a sunny climate. Trouble is, even then most of them were in their 80s and 90s (I had a few solid volunteers sadly pass away during the campaigns). That FDR generation is dying out and being replaced in FL by cranky conservatives from the midwest.
The 2000 election was the peak of the Del Boca Vista/Helen & Morty Seinfeld era in south Florida. It started to show cracks quickly thereafter as they aged out and became outnumbered by the next generation of oldster newcomers.
Most people don't change their ideology once they reach adulthood (though some certainly do). Those born early-1930s to 1948 and from 1955 to 1979 tend to be Republicans, while those born to the early-1930s, 1948 to 1954, and since 1979 tend to be Democrats.
Why would people born during the Roosevelt administration tend to be Republicans?
Because they came of age in the Eisenhower years amidst McCarthyism and Pax Americana.
Just as my generation - Generation Y - came of age during the Bush the Younger administration and thus associate the Republican Party with the failures of Iraq and the Wall Street crash.
I guess those opposed to McCarthyism mostly voted for Adlai Stevenson twice, like my parents did?
Because they came of age during the Truman administration and they associate the Democratic Party with the rise of the "red menace" in the late 1940s/early 1950s.
My parents were born in 1929 and 1932 and neither was ever a Republican. They lived through the war and like other American children, they contributed to the war effort. The fact that they attained adulthood during the Truman and Eisenhower years didn't override their childhood. Are you sure the heavily Republican cohort goes back as far as you're saying? Someone born in 1932 knew no president except for FDR until they were about 12.
The border is somewhere around 1933, essentially those with a strong memory of the end of WWII. Not that anecdotes are determinative in a conversation like this.
No, granted.
I'd say that younger gen X (including me) tend to be more in line with Millennial voting trends. Difference is if you came of age politically during Reagan or Clinton.
If you are old enough to remember Carter, you're more likely to be Republican though. The country was simply done with him in 1980.
Right, but the youngest voters in the 1992 election were born in 1974 and were only 6 when Reagan was first elected.
Those born mid-1930s to 1944 and 1960 to 1975 are the more extreme conservatives. The younger end of the GOP generation had their parents raving about Reagan and the fall of the Soviet Union. Clinton became far more popular among the younger generation once he was seen as fighting the GOP congress, particular after his re-election. It's also worth noting that younger voters have always had lower participation rates, so those more apt to vote aren't necessarily representative of their peers.
And that's true for every generation, regardless of ideology. Reagan openly lamented both in 1982 and 1986 of the lack of younger voter participation.
Yeah I think those both in the late 60s were the peak of Gen X Reaganites.
People who are now in their late 60s are not Gen X.
I mistyped. I meant people BORN in the late 60s.
I think it's strange that an entire cohort of voters is Republican because they came of age during the Eisenhower Administration, which was not very conservative, and there is absolutely no doubt that Eisenhower would be outraged by Trump and other isolationist/collaborationists and habitual liars and would have never supported them. It must be all about labels to them.
I think it pretty much boils down to them coming of age in an era of fear, and that transitioned to a 'protect what's mine' mentality.
For white people, mainly?
Primarily, though more specifically I'd say kids whose families worried more about national/international affairs than local/state affairs.
For Gen Xers I think there's a dividing line around 1973-74 births. Too much of the older half of the generation votes like every election forever is Reagan vs. Carter or Mondale. The younger half really came of political age in the 1990s, and might remember Reagan as a positive part of childhood nostalgia but, when it started voting, did so based on later candidates and issues.
Thats absolutely true for me. I was born in 1976, but my first vote was only in 2000. I was living in Canada in 1996 and didn't follow US politics that closely anyway. I actually followed 1992 more closely as a 15 year old.
This sounds about right; the 1984 election had lasting effects for those voting the first time(Mondale was my first vote, but unlike many 18-20 year olds voting for the first time, I knew he had zero chance but still voted straight ticket D)
We're just about the same age, then. The difference is that I tried to be in denial about the opinion polls, based on the idea that the only poll that really mattered was on Election Day, and when my polling place in Manhattan was crowded, I tried to argue that turnout helps the Democrats - and then was mortified that Reagan won even my home state of New York.
Yeah, it's a razor's edge. I grew up with Reagan (and mostly liked him), but then my first vote was Bill Clinton (and that hellscape Pat Buchanan convention speech sealed the deal with my affiliation).
I've generally drifted a bit more left each passing year.
EDIT - birth year is 1973
I really agree with this and I see it on Facebook. I was born in 1976 and lived in near suburban Philadelphia between 4th grade and 12th grade. The people who are older than me that I see on Facebook (typically graduated from late 1980s to early 1990s) are MUCH more Republican, particularly men. A lot have moved to places like the Philadelphia exurbs and Florida. By contrast, the people more my sister's age, who graduated from the late 1990s to early 2000s are almost across the board Democrats/liberals. Interestingly, this younger group has tended to stay in the near Philadelphia suburbs or the city itself. Or if they have moved, it is more likely to somewhere like New York City.
When the Silent Generation and older Baby Boomers became the retirees.
The most conservative cohort of living Americans are late Boomers/early GenXers. Those late Boomers are into their 70s now. So the next 10-15 years of retirees will be pretty conservative and drive places with high retire populations like FL and AZ to be redder than they otherwise would have been.
I don't know how you define "late Boomers" but we are not in our 70s yet. People born in 1954 or before are 70 and over. Any birth year after that we are in our 60s. As much as it pains me to think of my generation as the most conservative one still around, don't make me older than I am! I was born in 1958 and am age 66. Barack Obama (1961), Kamala Harris and Tim Walz (both 1964) are all late boomers...
I agree completely; I was born in 1965(which I believe is considered the first year of Generation X);apologies if I am wrong but I am thinking our group is the most conservative up until those born around 1972(I would say those born from around 1956-1972)
The second half off the boomers so 1955-1964. So the oldest late Boomers will be 70 next year. So you are right - I was a little ungenerous in my estimate.