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Tigercourse's avatar

Someone in my office who I knew was at least Republican leaning but thought was intelligent was praising the tariffs yesterday, calling VAT's tariffs, and considered the board Trump used to explain it brilliant. It was fascinating to realize that this very successful woman was also a total idiot.

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Ben F.'s avatar

I had to listen to someone in my carpool today who is convinced that manufacturing jobs are already set to be coming back and we'll be getting trillions in new investment dollars. It is painful - and part of it is my fault for humoring this guy too many times.

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Marcus Graly's avatar

Even if some manufacturing moves back, it will employ far fewer people than it used it. And the whole reason why manufacturing jobs are thought of as "good jobs" is because they historically had strong unions. There's no market based reason why they would be high paying and before the unions successfully organized mass manufacturing, they weren't.

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Paleo's avatar

They would be high paying compared to working at Wal-Mart or Home Depot.

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Ethan (KingofSpades)'s avatar

Yeah but limited to maintaining the automated assembly lines. And sentenced to life in prison if they decide to go Luddite and smash up the robots.

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Marcus Graly's avatar

By like a dollar or two an hour. Not to say that those jobs aren't important for the local economies of small towns where, say, a paper mill is big employer. But they aren't going to magically be high paying. They're going pay as little as the bosses think they can get away with, unless the workers organize, which given the precarious nature of manufacturing work these days, they're often reluctant to do.

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YouHaveToVoteForOneOfUS's avatar

As I saw someone say on BSky the other day, people donтАЩt miss manufacturing jobs, they miss the effects of living in a society with high union density.

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Marcus Graly's avatar

In more rural areas, sometimes there isn't a lot of alternative without driving hours each way. And high housing costs make relocating a challenge.

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Anonymous's avatar

There's also no company that is going to onshore jobs with the expectation that these tariffs are going away in no more than 4 years. By the time a factory was up and running they'd get 6 months of profits before production moves back to Vietnam.

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