I might add that DeSantis mainly won the first race for governor over Adam (Opie Taylor) Putnam solely due to the Trump endorsement; now, Trump loathes DeSantis
Question: With DeSantis widely despised, and TrumpтАЩs popularity weakening (hopefully also in Florida), and no obvious GOP heir to DeSantis тАУ does this open up an opportunity for Democrats?
If so, who do you consider to be DemsтАЩ strongest gubernatorial prospects?
I think Florida is gone no matter what the DNC does. Climate change will finish off the transition to a solid red state, given that everything will eventually be underwater except The Villages and Floribama.
I really despise this sort of defeatism. Not helpful!
In this election, Democrats nationwide failed to run a candidate in one thousand legislative races. ThatтАЩs political malpractice. Florida was an honorable exception; thanks to Nikki FriedтАЩs leadership of an invigorated Florida Party, I believe Dems ran a candidate in EVERY race.
And are continuing to build a bench for the future.. to summarily write off the 3rd most populous state in the nation without a fight is political malpractice(and stupid); obviously, you prioritize your strategy moving forward but you don't just throw up your hands and whine, and say that all hope is lost; just like Texas, our side needs to fight the Republicans in Florida; the Hispanic vote holds the balance of power here; we need to better effectively message to that voter universe (and then let the chips fall where they may)
#1/yes!! We definitely want Gaetz to run..he's never getting the nomination but his rich ass father will keep him fully funded and he will burn down the Republican party in Florida just like he did in DC; the dude has never been anything but a Rich, Entitled, Frat Boy with no one every telling him NO!.#2/.as for the prospects of the Democratic party, we need to sort of completely forget the Democratic side of things to start; it's all about Trump now, and how bad he performs in the second term; I have heard that Trump plans to make FEMA a nothing agency (maybe he's all bluster like usual); if he decides to let the state of Florida handle hurricanes without federal government help, then immediately reality sets in here; Florida can't survive without FEMA; it's just that simple, the state infrastructure is not capable of handling just 1 hurricane; No way can it handle multiple disasters simultaneously like just happened about 5 months ago; I will try to get to the point asap; Florida is NOT lost forever to the democrats, no matter what a few posters on this very site think
Also, as to my personal favorites for the Democratic party nomination for Governor; (in this order)1/ Rep. Moskovitz(not sure about the spelling); 2/ex-Rep. Murcasell-Powell(I think she did surprisingly well considering the national\state headwinds; seriously doubt she runs); 3/Nikki Fried, who's doing a terrific job so far at being State Party Chair (here again in an almost impossible job; highly doubt she runs for anything; personally, I like her to run for Senate against Ashley Moody);4/Donna Deegan; Mayor of Jacksonville (folks, trust me here, Deegan is a future Superstar; if she has statewide ambitions; I honestly don't know her political desires for future advancement)
The Mayor of Miami is clearly the strongest candidate and should run for whichever of Governor and Senate would be easier to win, likely whichever one Gaetz ends up running for.
Actually, the issue is heavily based on turnout, not solely the Democratic candidates running.
I don't mind a new Gubernatorial or Senate candidate but whoever the nominee is, they aren't going to win if turnout is lackluster. Suffice to say, FL Democratic Party Chair Nikki Fried has her work cut out for her.
WeтАЩre continuing to learn more about just how badly Republicans beat Democrats in the state of Florida Tuesday night in the statewide elections.
ThereтАЩs ongoing pressure for the chair of the Florida Democratic Party, Manny Diaz, to step down. So far, he's indicated he'll stay in his post.
Gov. Ron DeSantis defeated Congressman Charlie Crist by 19 points Tuesday night. It was the biggest win for a Republican governor since the end of Reconstruction. For the first time in recent history, there were more registered Republicans than Democrats across the state. The big difference, however, was only about half of the Democrats showed up Tuesday and around two-thirds of Republicans voted.
DeSantis flipped counties President Joe Biden won in 2022: Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, Hillsborough, Pinellas and Duval. One major problem for Democrats was a mismatch in turnout. Republican registered voters showed up, and Democrats did not, according to unofficial results posted online by Florida's supervisors of elections.
In Miami-Dade County, there are 135,229 more registered Democrats than Republicans, but more Republicans showed up: 61% of registered Republicans voted and only 46% of Democrat registered voters.
There are 106,299 more registered Democrats than Republicans in Palm Beach County. 55% of registered Democrats showed up and 66% of Republicans showed up.
The same thing happened in Central and North Florida in several major urban areas. There are 53,156 more registered Democrats than Republicans in Hillsborough County but only 39% of Democrats showed up and 44% of Republicans showed up to vote.
It's true that 2024 was an improvement over 2022 but that's mainly because of it being a presidential election year. Mucarsel-Powell also did a tad better than Harris did in the presidential race although that's not much.
However, turnout in general was down 10% in 2024 vs. 2020. Miami-Dade's turnout also went down. Most of the FL turnout ended up being driven by the GOP.
Pretty sure I said to nominate Jared Moskovitz and you are making the mistake of convolution; the races you are comparing are literally oranges to plums; totally not a comparison of real value
just don't see here as very viable at this time; unfortunately, being a black woman would hurt her here(maybe that would change a few years down the road, but not in the current environment imo)
Everyone in Florida politics always hated DeSantis, and now, no one fears him
I might add that DeSantis mainly won the first race for governor over Adam (Opie Taylor) Putnam solely due to the Trump endorsement; now, Trump loathes DeSantis
Question: With DeSantis widely despised, and TrumpтАЩs popularity weakening (hopefully also in Florida), and no obvious GOP heir to DeSantis тАУ does this open up an opportunity for Democrats?
If so, who do you consider to be DemsтАЩ strongest gubernatorial prospects?
PS. Should we hope Matt Gaetz runs?
We lose to anyone but *maybe* Gaetz. Florida is gone without significant investment which the DNC is loathe to provide.
not that simple but you have valid points
I think Florida is gone no matter what the DNC does. Climate change will finish off the transition to a solid red state, given that everything will eventually be underwater except The Villages and Floribama.
I think you know nothing about the reality on the ground and the local issues that matter here(just my opinion)
I really despise this sort of defeatism. Not helpful!
In this election, Democrats nationwide failed to run a candidate in one thousand legislative races. ThatтАЩs political malpractice. Florida was an honorable exception; thanks to Nikki FriedтАЩs leadership of an invigorated Florida Party, I believe Dems ran a candidate in EVERY race.
And are continuing to build a bench for the future.. to summarily write off the 3rd most populous state in the nation without a fight is political malpractice(and stupid); obviously, you prioritize your strategy moving forward but you don't just throw up your hands and whine, and say that all hope is lost; just like Texas, our side needs to fight the Republicans in Florida; the Hispanic vote holds the balance of power here; we need to better effectively message to that voter universe (and then let the chips fall where they may)
#1/yes!! We definitely want Gaetz to run..he's never getting the nomination but his rich ass father will keep him fully funded and he will burn down the Republican party in Florida just like he did in DC; the dude has never been anything but a Rich, Entitled, Frat Boy with no one every telling him NO!.#2/.as for the prospects of the Democratic party, we need to sort of completely forget the Democratic side of things to start; it's all about Trump now, and how bad he performs in the second term; I have heard that Trump plans to make FEMA a nothing agency (maybe he's all bluster like usual); if he decides to let the state of Florida handle hurricanes without federal government help, then immediately reality sets in here; Florida can't survive without FEMA; it's just that simple, the state infrastructure is not capable of handling just 1 hurricane; No way can it handle multiple disasters simultaneously like just happened about 5 months ago; I will try to get to the point asap; Florida is NOT lost forever to the democrats, no matter what a few posters on this very site think
Also, as to my personal favorites for the Democratic party nomination for Governor; (in this order)1/ Rep. Moskovitz(not sure about the spelling); 2/ex-Rep. Murcasell-Powell(I think she did surprisingly well considering the national\state headwinds; seriously doubt she runs); 3/Nikki Fried, who's doing a terrific job so far at being State Party Chair (here again in an almost impossible job; highly doubt she runs for anything; personally, I like her to run for Senate against Ashley Moody);4/Donna Deegan; Mayor of Jacksonville (folks, trust me here, Deegan is a future Superstar; if she has statewide ambitions; I honestly don't know her political desires for future advancement)
Much appreciated!
The Mayor of Miami is clearly the strongest candidate and should run for whichever of Governor and Senate would be easier to win, likely whichever one Gaetz ends up running for.
I don't think you have a clue about this.. But you are entitled to an opinion.. no matter how naive and wrong it might be.. CheersЁЯН╗
Rep Murcasell ran more than 10 points behind Cava in Miami Dade. We need to try someone new after losing three straight races by mid double digits.
Actually, the issue is heavily based on turnout, not solely the Democratic candidates running.
I don't mind a new Gubernatorial or Senate candidate but whoever the nominee is, they aren't going to win if turnout is lackluster. Suffice to say, FL Democratic Party Chair Nikki Fried has her work cut out for her.
https://www.nbcmiami.com/decision-2022/turnout-was-a-big-problem-for-democrats-in-major-florida-counties/2906393/
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WeтАЩre continuing to learn more about just how badly Republicans beat Democrats in the state of Florida Tuesday night in the statewide elections.
ThereтАЩs ongoing pressure for the chair of the Florida Democratic Party, Manny Diaz, to step down. So far, he's indicated he'll stay in his post.
Gov. Ron DeSantis defeated Congressman Charlie Crist by 19 points Tuesday night. It was the biggest win for a Republican governor since the end of Reconstruction. For the first time in recent history, there were more registered Republicans than Democrats across the state. The big difference, however, was only about half of the Democrats showed up Tuesday and around two-thirds of Republicans voted.
DeSantis flipped counties President Joe Biden won in 2022: Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, Hillsborough, Pinellas and Duval. One major problem for Democrats was a mismatch in turnout. Republican registered voters showed up, and Democrats did not, according to unofficial results posted online by Florida's supervisors of elections.
In Miami-Dade County, there are 135,229 more registered Democrats than Republicans, but more Republicans showed up: 61% of registered Republicans voted and only 46% of Democrat registered voters.
There are 106,299 more registered Democrats than Republicans in Palm Beach County. 55% of registered Democrats showed up and 66% of Republicans showed up.
The same thing happened in Central and North Florida in several major urban areas. There are 53,156 more registered Democrats than Republicans in Hillsborough County but only 39% of Democrats showed up and 44% of Republicans showed up to vote.
they both ran in 2024
Yes but the issue I'm raising applies to both the 2022 midterms and 2024 presidential elections:
Democrats in high profile races in both 2022 and 2024 lost by double digits as follows:
2022
FL-GOV
Charlie Crist lost to Governor DeSantis by 19.4% points
https://www.politico.com/2022-election/results/florida/statewide-offices/
FL-SEN
Val Demings lost to Marco Rubio by 16.4% points
https://www.politico.com/2022-election/results/florida/senate/
2024
Presidential Race
Kamala Harris lost to Donald Trump by 13.1% points
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/florida-president-results
Senate Race
Debbie Mucarsel-Powell lost to Rick Scott by 12.8% points
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/florida-senate-results
It's true that 2024 was an improvement over 2022 but that's mainly because of it being a presidential election year. Mucarsel-Powell also did a tad better than Harris did in the presidential race although that's not much.
However, turnout in general was down 10% in 2024 vs. 2020. Miami-Dade's turnout also went down. Most of the FL turnout ended up being driven by the GOP.
https://www.axios.com/local/tampa-bay/2024/11/06/florida-democrats-2024-elections
https://mynews13.com/fl/orlando/politics/2024/11/06/florida-voter-turnout
Pretty sure I said to nominate Jared Moskovitz and you are making the mistake of convolution; the races you are comparing are literally oranges to plums; totally not a comparison of real value
You rank ordered candidates, you didn't say to nominate Moskowitz
It was obvious
How about Val Demings? Is she still around? I thought she was pretty good back in 16 and she's still pretty young, right?
just don't see here as very viable at this time; unfortunately, being a black woman would hurt her here(maybe that would change a few years down the road, but not in the current environment imo)
Trump's approval in Florida is probably closer to 60% than 50% currently. Have a LONG WAY to go.
disagree with you but it's still January; wait until FEMA is defunded and then a hurricane hits us in September
If Dems nominate a centrist candidate they will win...it is still FL remember.
possibly yes; depending on how bad Trump is and to a lesser degree the quality of the Republican nominee