This guy is what is called a "DINO". This means, like a "RINO" on the Republican side, as Democrat In Name Only. How can ANYONE who calls themselves "Pro-life" (which in actuality means what it really is as "forced-birth") and be against the ACA (both Obama and I like the term "Obamacare") call himself a Democrat? Vote for the progressiv…
This guy is what is called a "DINO". This means, like a "RINO" on the Republican side, as Democrat In Name Only. How can ANYONE who calls themselves "Pro-life" (which in actuality means what it really is as "forced-birth") and be against the ACA (both Obama and I like the term "Obamacare") call himself a Democrat? Vote for the progressive attorney, if he runs, or anyone else, as the "TRUE" Democrat. We Progressives should seriously consider splitting off from the Democratic Party. We should form our own Progressive Party, maybe with AOC as our standard bearer, and force our requirements on what remains of the Democratic Party.
If you're referring to pademocrat, no that would be me. And I called myself that because at the time I joined DKE, I lived in Western Pennsylvania (in Greensburg). I've called seven states - New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, Vermont, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Delaware plus DC - home during my lifetime.
I was born in Chestnut Hill Hospital in 1954. Chestnut Hill is part of the GREAT City of Philadelphia in Pennsylvania. I grew up and lived in Montgomery County from birth to 1977. That year, my family and I moved to Quakertown in northern Bucks County, Pennsylvania. I lived there from 1977 to 1987. I relocated to the Mainline area, near City Avenue in west Philly, to the town of Narberth, which is also in Montgomery County in Pennsylvania. I lived there for over a year until I moved to Indiana in 1988 when I got married. So, 34 years as a Pennsylvanian living in three different parts of greater Philly. I think this has earned me my place as a PROUD Pennsylvania Progressive and, for now anyway, Democrat. Why should we Progressives NOT form our own "Progressive Party"? Oh course, we would align ourselves with the moderate Democrats. What better way to get our priorities taken seriously by them? They need us. Without our support, they would have NO CHANCE against the MAGA Republicans. This guy above is NOT a moderate Democrat.
Around the time ACA was being built and voted on, Lynch was definitely a pain to hear about, and I remember him wanting to be primaried so badly. For some reason, the past several years he's been out of the news and I forgot he was still in congress! But yeah, these latest comments of his are well in his character. Ideally the primary threat might just make him decide to retire, but with the attitude he has, I'm not so sure.
Rightly or wrongly he has a stronger base than we wish. He managed to obtain nearly 42.5 per cent in 2013 when running in the US Senate primary against Ed Markey.
He's a "Democrat" in the mold of "Dapper" O'Neil and James Kelly. Two former prominent Boston politicians who were "Democrats" both for the same reason Tulsi Gabbard and Rod Blagojevich were "Democrats", political necessity and because for the longest time, the Democratic Party in Massachusetts was considered the "Irish Party." And that was NOT meant as a compliment. Lynch stays in office only due to longevity and the fact that he has a genuine "rages to riches" story that makes him look more "reasonable" than he actually is.
There's already a progressive party. It's called the Green Party. Another one is the Peace & Freedom Party.
Also, aside from Lynch having a more mixed, anti-choice record prior to the Dobbs decision, he actually is far from being a DINO. In fact, he fought for accountability towards the Iraq War and even supported investigating President Bush about lying about the war.
MA-08 voted for Harris 62-35 and Warren 60-40 in 2024. In 2022 it was Healey 64-35. In 2020 it was Biden 67-31, Markey 67-33. The district covers south Boston and major suburbs south of the city like Quincy. It's a D+15 district and in fact the third bluest in the state of Massachusetts, a state well known for how deeply and reliably democratic it votes.
Lynch winning that district is so fundamentally unremarkable that bringing it up calls the whole argument that it's made in support of into doubt. Are we going to brag about how Nancy Pelosi is a democrat that "WINS elections" because she got reelected in San Francisco?
Daily Kos has a rule against third party advocacy; doesn't the Downballot as well?
Anyhow, there are a number of things we can do to try to push Dems to the left (though we should be careful about where we choose to do it.) Calling for a new "Progressive" third party is just stupid, as it would almost ensure a lot of Republican wins in states and districts where a majority of voters don't want that.
I don’t think pushing Democrats to take more action than they already are against Trump is exactly moving to the left. That’s like saying Liz Cheney is a liberal for fighting against Trump even though she’s a staunch neocon like her father.
Besides, Andrew Yang has already been failing in trying to elect politicians in his Forward party which he argues represents the “radical middle.” It takes no genius to figure out that the “Forward” brand name was actually Obama’s re-election catch phrase.
Back in 2020, Yang originally lent his support to the lesser known but more liberal Democratic Senate Candidate in the KY-SEN primary race, Charles Booker.
Then later after he lost the NYC Mayoral Race to Eric Adams in 2023 he says he was trying to get more centrists in the Democratic Party and apparently being unsuccessful at doing so led him to start the Forward Party.
FAIL. The Democratic Party ALWAYS has centrists and moderates. When have we never had plenty of them?
You can't be serious with this statement: "We Progressives should seriously consider splitting off from the Democratic Party. We should form our own Progressive Party, maybe with AOC as our standard bearer, and force our requirements on what remains of the Democratic Party." Even putting the silliness of this idea aside, AOC is actually a pretty standard Democrat at this point...
But are you both Pennsylvanians? I was born in Chestnut Hill Hospital in 1954. Chestnut Hill is part of the GREAT City of Philadelphia in Pennsylvania. I grew up and lived in Montgomery County from birth to 1977. That year, my family and I moved to Quakertown in northern Bucks County, Pennsylvania. I lived there from 1977 to 1987. I relocated to the Mainline area, near City Avenue in west Philly, to the town of Narberth, which is also in Montgomery County in Pennsylvania. I lived there for over a year until I moved to Indiana in 1988 when I got married. So, 34 years as a Pennsylvanian living in three different parts of greater Philly. I think this has earned me my place as a PROUD Pennsylvania Progressive and, for now anyway, Democrat. Why should we Progressives NOT form our own "Progressive Party"? Oh course, we would align ourselves with the moderate Democrats. What better way to get our priorities taken seriously by them? They need us. Without our support, they would have NO CHANCE against the MAGA Republicans. This guy above is NOT a moderate Democrat.
Are you seriously suggesting running a third party candidate against Democratic candidates? You were born in 1954, yet you still suggest that? Have you ever looked into why Woodrow Wilson won the 1914 election? Why the 2000 election was close enough for the Supreme Court to fuck around with it? Why Hillary Clinton "lost" in 2016? We really don't need this kind of talk here, and I'd like it to be banned here just as it was on DKE and SSP.
I can't believe I'm even replying to this nonsense, but here goes. You'd be willing to cede elections to MAGA crazies in order to get your way? It's also unclear what your being from PA has to do with anything.
Boy, you guys just do NOT get it, do you? When did I ever say that we in a new "Progressive Party" would run a third party candidate? That is a known recipe for disaster. Yes, I DO remember Ross Perot way back in 1992. He is the reason that Bill Clinton won. He was correct about that "giant sucking sound". So you see, it can go both ways. We have a Progressive Caucus currently that is chaired by a very good lady from Washington State named Pramila Jayapal. She is doing a great job. But, it is only a "caucus", and is part of a greater Democratic Party. That means the moderates and DINO Dems, like this guy above, can stymie us. If we had our own "Progressive Party", then the moderates and DINO's would be FORCED to deal with us as they NEED our support against the, as you say, MAGA crazies. What I am talking about here is what Trump is doing on his side. It is called hardball leverage negotiating. Also, your comments are more MAGA Republican than you realize. You cannot "ban" this kind of talk, as that is NOT free speech. Banning speech is what dictators like Putin do, and is what Trump longs to do also. And, unless the two or more of you are actually current or former Pennsylvanians, as I am, then you have less of a leg to stand on. As for 2016 with Hillary (whom I did vote for) if it had been Bernie Sanders instead, then Trump would most likely not have won. Bernie is now too old and frail. The logical replacement would be AOC.
This guy is what is called a "DINO". This means, like a "RINO" on the Republican side, as Democrat In Name Only. How can ANYONE who calls themselves "Pro-life" (which in actuality means what it really is as "forced-birth") and be against the ACA (both Obama and I like the term "Obamacare") call himself a Democrat? Vote for the progressive attorney, if he runs, or anyone else, as the "TRUE" Democrat. We Progressives should seriously consider splitting off from the Democratic Party. We should form our own Progressive Party, maybe with AOC as our standard bearer, and force our requirements on what remains of the Democratic Party.
It is obvious that Jonathan is a MAGA Republican by his totally tone-deaf comments.
yup..that must be true
No, I just think he was from “Pennsylvania” in a former life.
If you're referring to pademocrat, no that would be me. And I called myself that because at the time I joined DKE, I lived in Western Pennsylvania (in Greensburg). I've called seven states - New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, Vermont, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Delaware plus DC - home during my lifetime.
Ok.
I was born in Chestnut Hill Hospital in 1954. Chestnut Hill is part of the GREAT City of Philadelphia in Pennsylvania. I grew up and lived in Montgomery County from birth to 1977. That year, my family and I moved to Quakertown in northern Bucks County, Pennsylvania. I lived there from 1977 to 1987. I relocated to the Mainline area, near City Avenue in west Philly, to the town of Narberth, which is also in Montgomery County in Pennsylvania. I lived there for over a year until I moved to Indiana in 1988 when I got married. So, 34 years as a Pennsylvanian living in three different parts of greater Philly. I think this has earned me my place as a PROUD Pennsylvania Progressive and, for now anyway, Democrat. Why should we Progressives NOT form our own "Progressive Party"? Oh course, we would align ourselves with the moderate Democrats. What better way to get our priorities taken seriously by them? They need us. Without our support, they would have NO CHANCE against the MAGA Republicans. This guy above is NOT a moderate Democrat.
Around the time ACA was being built and voted on, Lynch was definitely a pain to hear about, and I remember him wanting to be primaried so badly. For some reason, the past several years he's been out of the news and I forgot he was still in congress! But yeah, these latest comments of his are well in his character. Ideally the primary threat might just make him decide to retire, but with the attitude he has, I'm not so sure.
Rightly or wrongly he has a stronger base than we wish. He managed to obtain nearly 42.5 per cent in 2013 when running in the US Senate primary against Ed Markey.
exactly; dude wins elections; pretty simple
Well, except for the election against Markey, which he lost. But yeah, except for the elections he loses, he wins elections
totally nothing to do with the argument i made; nice try though
He's a "Democrat" in the mold of "Dapper" O'Neil and James Kelly. Two former prominent Boston politicians who were "Democrats" both for the same reason Tulsi Gabbard and Rod Blagojevich were "Democrats", political necessity and because for the longest time, the Democratic Party in Massachusetts was considered the "Irish Party." And that was NOT meant as a compliment. Lynch stays in office only due to longevity and the fact that he has a genuine "rages to riches" story that makes him look more "reasonable" than he actually is.
he wont be easily dislodged
Well aware. I know my hometown.
There's already a progressive party. It's called the Green Party. Another one is the Peace & Freedom Party.
Also, aside from Lynch having a more mixed, anti-choice record prior to the Dobbs decision, he actually is far from being a DINO. In fact, he fought for accountability towards the Iraq War and even supported investigating President Bush about lying about the war.
Lynch is a Democrat that WINS elections; full stop
Lynch also happens to represent a D+15 Congressional District in a state that is deep blue.
I'm far more concerned about unseating Republicans than I am with Lynch at this point.
MA-08 voted for Harris 62-35 and Warren 60-40 in 2024. In 2022 it was Healey 64-35. In 2020 it was Biden 67-31, Markey 67-33. The district covers south Boston and major suburbs south of the city like Quincy. It's a D+15 district and in fact the third bluest in the state of Massachusetts, a state well known for how deeply and reliably democratic it votes.
Lynch winning that district is so fundamentally unremarkable that bringing it up calls the whole argument that it's made in support of into doubt. Are we going to brag about how Nancy Pelosi is a democrat that "WINS elections" because she got reelected in San Francisco?
Daily Kos has a rule against third party advocacy; doesn't the Downballot as well?
Anyhow, there are a number of things we can do to try to push Dems to the left (though we should be careful about where we choose to do it.) Calling for a new "Progressive" third party is just stupid, as it would almost ensure a lot of Republican wins in states and districts where a majority of voters don't want that.
I don’t think pushing Democrats to take more action than they already are against Trump is exactly moving to the left. That’s like saying Liz Cheney is a liberal for fighting against Trump even though she’s a staunch neocon like her father.
Besides, Andrew Yang has already been failing in trying to elect politicians in his Forward party which he argues represents the “radical middle.” It takes no genius to figure out that the “Forward” brand name was actually Obama’s re-election catch phrase.
I forgot about the Forward Party's existence until just now, which just goes to show how much impact he's making.
Back in 2020, Yang originally lent his support to the lesser known but more liberal Democratic Senate Candidate in the KY-SEN primary race, Charles Booker.
Then later after he lost the NYC Mayoral Race to Eric Adams in 2023 he says he was trying to get more centrists in the Democratic Party and apparently being unsuccessful at doing so led him to start the Forward Party.
FAIL. The Democratic Party ALWAYS has centrists and moderates. When have we never had plenty of them?
The U.S. Green Party is basically a foreign OP; it's not a legitimate political organization.
You can't be serious with this statement: "We Progressives should seriously consider splitting off from the Democratic Party. We should form our own Progressive Party, maybe with AOC as our standard bearer, and force our requirements on what remains of the Democratic Party." Even putting the silliness of this idea aside, AOC is actually a pretty standard Democrat at this point...
he absolutely is and labeled me a Trumper when I pushed back
But are you both Pennsylvanians? I was born in Chestnut Hill Hospital in 1954. Chestnut Hill is part of the GREAT City of Philadelphia in Pennsylvania. I grew up and lived in Montgomery County from birth to 1977. That year, my family and I moved to Quakertown in northern Bucks County, Pennsylvania. I lived there from 1977 to 1987. I relocated to the Mainline area, near City Avenue in west Philly, to the town of Narberth, which is also in Montgomery County in Pennsylvania. I lived there for over a year until I moved to Indiana in 1988 when I got married. So, 34 years as a Pennsylvanian living in three different parts of greater Philly. I think this has earned me my place as a PROUD Pennsylvania Progressive and, for now anyway, Democrat. Why should we Progressives NOT form our own "Progressive Party"? Oh course, we would align ourselves with the moderate Democrats. What better way to get our priorities taken seriously by them? They need us. Without our support, they would have NO CHANCE against the MAGA Republicans. This guy above is NOT a moderate Democrat.
Are you seriously suggesting running a third party candidate against Democratic candidates? You were born in 1954, yet you still suggest that? Have you ever looked into why Woodrow Wilson won the 1914 election? Why the 2000 election was close enough for the Supreme Court to fuck around with it? Why Hillary Clinton "lost" in 2016? We really don't need this kind of talk here, and I'd like it to be banned here just as it was on DKE and SSP.
I can't believe I'm even replying to this nonsense, but here goes. You'd be willing to cede elections to MAGA crazies in order to get your way? It's also unclear what your being from PA has to do with anything.
Boy, you guys just do NOT get it, do you? When did I ever say that we in a new "Progressive Party" would run a third party candidate? That is a known recipe for disaster. Yes, I DO remember Ross Perot way back in 1992. He is the reason that Bill Clinton won. He was correct about that "giant sucking sound". So you see, it can go both ways. We have a Progressive Caucus currently that is chaired by a very good lady from Washington State named Pramila Jayapal. She is doing a great job. But, it is only a "caucus", and is part of a greater Democratic Party. That means the moderates and DINO Dems, like this guy above, can stymie us. If we had our own "Progressive Party", then the moderates and DINO's would be FORCED to deal with us as they NEED our support against the, as you say, MAGA crazies. What I am talking about here is what Trump is doing on his side. It is called hardball leverage negotiating. Also, your comments are more MAGA Republican than you realize. You cannot "ban" this kind of talk, as that is NOT free speech. Banning speech is what dictators like Putin do, and is what Trump longs to do also. And, unless the two or more of you are actually current or former Pennsylvanians, as I am, then you have less of a leg to stand on. As for 2016 with Hillary (whom I did vote for) if it had been Bernie Sanders instead, then Trump would most likely not have won. Bernie is now too old and frail. The logical replacement would be AOC.