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ArcticStones's avatar

Tomorrow I will be watching the runoff in Poland’s Presidential Election. Really hoping Rafał Trzaskowski, Mayor of Warsaw, defeats Karol Nawrocki of the right-wing PiS party.

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PollJunkie's avatar

Kristi Noem has stumped for Nawrocki in Poland along with other MAGAs, I hope that costs him votes. His policy platform is very very similar to MAGA except on taxation and the welfare state.

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Paleo's avatar

So he’s better than they are?

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PollJunkie's avatar

Most European far right politicians are except those in Germany and places like Romania. For e.g, Jordan Bardella of France supports strong climate action and a stronger welfare state.

If Nawrocki loses, Poland will probably legalise abortion without his veto.

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Paleo's avatar

Pretty sad when even their fascists are better than our fascists.

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Tim Nguyen's avatar

The threat of Russia and the threat of becoming like Russia, or regressing to a Cold War state, is a very compelling incentive to improve your society.

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PollJunkie's avatar

I think there are three reasons often tated for Europe being left to America especially economically:

a powerful labor movement emerged after ww2 which wasn't divided by racial lines like America (e.g "welfare queens", drained pool politics) and powered Soc Dems,

Conservative parties were mostly Christian Democratic, a centrist philosophy which values free or mixed markets with a strong welfare state and are moderately conservative in social issues, influenced by Jesus' teachings ( like the Catholic Social Teaching) which they interpret very differently compared to our evangelical folks,

the threat of workers rising up in a communist revolution if they felt too oppressed.

If I missed out any other oft cited theory, do point out.

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Paleo's avatar

Yes, there’s always been a class consciousness embedded in European politics that never took root for various reasons in the U.S.

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Buckeye73's avatar

Because of racism and nativism.

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Tim Nguyen's avatar

Come to think of it, I know very little of postwar Europe. That would be a nice topic to explore some day. Postwar Japan I do know about since I took a whole course on that. Long story short, lots of US intervention and involvement and basically the Japanese government hand selecting the most desirable businesses. Ironically, it's eerily similar to socialism or communism...

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michaelflutist's avatar

Not to real socialism of any kind but maybe to the state monopolism of countries ruled by communist dictatorships.

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PollJunkie's avatar

The word is dirigisme.

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hilltopper's avatar

I think the legalization they are considering making legal would allow abortions during the first three months.

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michaelflutist's avatar

That's a lot better than nothing.

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hilltopper's avatar

No question.

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