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Avedee Eikew's avatar

Curious about your thoughts on South Carolina and Utah.

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Wolfpack Dem's avatar

Utah - I think there is a "tipping point" with MAGA evil that causes a mass shift of "mainstream" LDS (who mostly think like The Bulwark never-Trumpers) into our coalition. They already test left on a policy level to where the GOP is currently (sorry, can't recall where I heard that, might have been a David French podcast).

South Carolina - Lots of "normie" Republicans here. Room for growth upstate and in the Charlotte suburbs. You just have to get a critical mass of people past their "social taboo" of voting Dem (my parents viewed that first-hand when they asked for D ballots the first time they voted in Summerville, SC - Charleston 'burbs). Being geographically in between NC and GA also connects some dots in my head, in ways I can't fully verbalize.

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Wolfpack Dem's avatar

Slight update - I also characterize UT and SC as states where people mostly come off as friendly, in ways that don't apply to, say, Florida. Or even Texas.

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Avedee Eikew's avatar

Thanks for sharing. I'm skeptical they come over in enough numbers but appreciate the solid case for them.

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Wolfpack Dem's avatar

No question I think the argument for #s 1 and 2 is much stronger. I am just trying to find different ways of looking at state demographics, for plausible "coalition" mindsets.

Hopefully some people smarter and more connected than me are also doing this.

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Zero Cool's avatar

My mother and her family grew up in Ogden, UT.

UT residents are indeed friendly but very much conservative. Ideologically, unless weтАЩre talking Salt Lake City or Salt Lake County, all else of UT hasnтАЩt really changed that much over the years besides non-white demographics. Even with this, non-white Utahns can still be conservative, even socially.

Urban areas need to explode in population that favors voters who are transplants or itтАЩs going to be hard for UT to move closer to the blue column. You have most of the state that is rural, which adds to the problems as well.

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