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Buckeye73's avatar

There are a couple issues I haven't heard discussed that I suspect are hurting us among younger male voters. The first is that young men are heavy into crypto and the crypto world is very pro-MAGA. The second issue is that the fitness community is also very pro-Trump. A large part of this is that this is an industry that is full of grifters selling medical vitamins and supplements. The second is that the fitness industry promotes toxic masculinity toward insecure young men. We are losing not on the issues, but because some of our potential voters are being grifted.

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michaelflutist's avatar

Sexism is an issue.

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Buckeye73's avatar

Among young people, women are getting the majority of college degrees and young men are much more likely to be hindered by criminal records and substance abuse problems. Therefore, the financial position of many young women is much better than that of their male peers. This is leading to a massive change in the power dynamic between young men and women and many younger men are responding by becoming sexists.

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Buckeye73's avatar

This dynamic is much much more evident among African-Americans and Latinos. I suspect that this in part explains our struggles in those communities.

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James Trout's avatar

Considering the hardline social conservatism in large parts of both communities, it is no surprise though.

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James Trout's avatar

Yep, there’s the sense that men are being ignored and left behind by Democrats. Unfortunately throwing around terms like “sexist” and “patriarchy” only hasten their move to the Republican camp. We Democrats need to drop this “all White men have it made” and “White privilege” nonsense. It’s both false and bad politics.

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michaelflutist's avatar

That's a caricature, isn't it? Who says all white men have it made? That's obviously false and idiotic.

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James Trout's avatar

Young people - particularly women - who dismiss the fact that men are now getting the minority of college degrees and the fact that there isn't nearly as much support for men who don't have built in advantages.

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michaelflutist's avatar

Ok, and how many of them are politicians, rather than random people? If the political dynamic is that voters don't blame the head of the Republican Party for being an actual convicted felon or anything else but their excuse for hating Democrats is something some random individuals say, we might as well give up and just accept that this country will be a violent fascist dictatorship.

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Henrik's avatar

Definitely agreed.

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ArcticStones's avatar

Seems to me a significant part of the fitness community is women. I know more than a few who are into rock climbing, weight-lifting, crossfit, Yoga, hiking, skiing, very healthy eating (with wildly varied diets) etc.

Now, it may just be the nature of my social network, but not a single one of them is MAGA.

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Kildere53's avatar

There's someone I follow on IG who might be a good example of a MAGA fitness guy. He's never hawked vitamins or supplements, he works a union job, and he supports environmental protection (though it's unclear how much of a role he thinks the government should have in that, or if he understands how much the government is needed in that). So theoretically, he should be a winnable voter for Democrats. But he's also complained that Democrats want too much government regulation (not sure how that jives with his support for environmental protection, but nobody ever said that American voters were consistent). And he appears to legitimately believe Trump when Trump claimed he wouldn't interfere with abortion rights in states where it's legal.

And unfortunately for us, this guy lives in Pennsylvania, and in a hotly contested swing district there as well. So his vote really has an impact.

Way too many Americans have this massive disconnect where they want things to happen, but they don't understand that government rules and regulations are the only way to actually make those things happen.

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Henrik's avatar

Possibly. That said a lot of the “wellness” world that’s women focused is also kind of grift adjacent. Essential oils, “natural” ingredients, etc. a lot of it isn’t wrong but a lot of it is snake oil-y and it’s often a gateway drug to RFK/Nicole Shanahan contrarianism

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Tigercourse's avatar

I'm at a bit of a loss as to how we could improve on those issues with that demographic.

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Buckeye73's avatar

I suspect that when the crypto bubble bursts we will get back a lot of the victims of the crypto scams.

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Tigercourse's avatar

I've been waiting a long time on that bubble.

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Aaron Apollo Camp's avatar

Crypto blockchains require a lot of computer technology, and, by extension, a lot of electricity, to maintain, so crypto might start hitting physical constraints, such as power grid capacity, sooner than later. Once that happens, the crypto bubble will burst, as, without the computer blockchains, crypto can't exist.

SCOTUS, believe it or not, recently declined a bid by Nvidia, a major maker of some of the computer chips used to make devices that power crypto blockchains, to invalidate a lawsuit over allegations it downplayed the role of the crypto bubble in its stock price surge. Nvidia's stock price completely tanking would probably be a leading indicator of a looming crypto collapse.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-tosses-case-involving-securities-fraud-suit-against-nvidia-2024-12-11/

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michaelflutist's avatar

A plurality of American voters will never vote Republicans again, either, after their handling of Covid and ending abortion rights. Just hold your breath; the racist sexist idiots will snap out of it in 5,4,3,2,1 seconds...

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Paleo's avatar

Crypto is good for crypto-fascists and only appeals to an elite slice of the “young” electorate.

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Buckeye73's avatar

Crypto is Amway for incels

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