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Paleo's avatar

As I’ve said before, I don’t believe the U.S. will elect a gay candidate president in 2028.

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PollJunkie's avatar

I am not saying that he should be the nominee... Yet we elected a Black man with an Arabic middle name as the president and we were about to elect a woman until a guy called Comey dropped a letter! (Silver, Vox and CNN's analysis say so)

The headwinds were against us in 2024 due to a variety of issues and Kamala was tied to a very unpopular administration, nothing much to do with her gender.

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michaelflutist's avatar

Obama was elected in a near-depression. Maybe that's what it will take for Americans to finally elect a woman as president.

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Burt Kloner's avatar

don't forget...Obama was elected in part because he was Obama...don't expect another one to come along for quite a while

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michaelflutist's avatar

Probably not intentionally, at least. I'd like to see their figures on a theoretical Madam President, but we know what's actually happened lately.

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PollJunkie's avatar

We should not delude ourselves like Biden that Kamala lost because of misogyny.

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Tigercourse's avatar

There is no delusion in acknowledging that electing a female president is a bigger lift than a male one. Polls show an unwillingness to vote for a woman for President.

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Burt Kloner's avatar

especially a woman of color?

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PollJunkie's avatar

It's delusional to say that Kamala lost because of her gender as Biden has been going around claiming in interviews rather than pointing out any other reason, she had much bigger problems like inflation, economy, border and being the VP of Biden, an unpopular president proven by the polls. She was trailing Trump on the biggest issues except Protecting Democracy, time and again, with the majority of voters saying that the country was headed in the wrong direction. No president has won re-election when voters say this.

Yes, it may be a bigger lift for a woman to be the president but which polls are you referring to? I can only find one where 57 percent that the country is ready to elect a woman, 23 percent say that country is not ready and 20 percent say that they are not sure. The sample size, Hillary and Kamala, is too small to know it as both were candidates dogged by a variety of issues. I concede that it may well be that a white Christian man is the safest bet. I personally dislike identity politics and would like the best and most winnable candidate to be nominated regardless of gender.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article294432724.html

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michaelflutist's avatar

Yeah, well how many people aren't sure whether the country is ready to elect a _man_ as president? You think 43% is not a sufficient number to change election results? Come on.

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PollJunkie's avatar

0 percent but you'd find a high percentage of these not sure guys in every issue poll including Trump approval ones and I'd bet a vast majority of these not ready people are Republicans, specifically MAGAs.

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michaelflutist's avatar

Yeah, but this is not 20 or 30%. Let's be serious, please. In addition, I'll bet some of the people who say they think the country is ready aren't actually ready to vote for a woman themselves, but won't admit it to a pollster.

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PollJunkie's avatar

Biden has also been claiming that he could have won the election and has stopped all contact with Pelosi. It's makes Democrats look so stupid.

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michaelflutist's avatar

That one is dumb, yes.

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michaelflutist's avatar

You’re deluding yourself if you think that had nothing to do with it.

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PollJunkie's avatar

It's delusional to say that Kamala lost because of her gender as Biden has been going around claiming in interviews rather than pointing out any other reason, she had much bigger problems like inflation, economy, border and being the VP of Biden, an unpopular president proven by the polls. She was trailing Trump on the biggest issues except Protecting Democracy, time and again, with the majority of voters saying that the country was headed in the wrong direction. No president has won re-election when voters say this.

Yes, it may be a bigger lift for a woman to be the preside but I can only find one poll where 57 percent say that the country is ready to elect a woman, 23 percent say that the country not ready and 20 percent not sure in October 2024. The sample size, Hillary and Kamala, is too small to know it as both were candidates dogged by a variety of issues. I I concede that it may well be that a white Christian man is the safest bet. I personally dislike identity politics and would like the best and winnable candidate to be nominated regardless of gender.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article294432724.html

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michaelflutist's avatar

Do you realize you repeated yourself?

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PollJunkie's avatar

Biden has also been claiming that he could have won the election and has stopped all contact with Pelosi. It's makes Democrats look so stupid.

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