You say that, but throughout history, Christian rulers have much more commonly killed those they decided were enemies, rather than loving them. Jesus' radical message tends to be subversive, rather than congenial, for rulers.
You say that, but throughout history, Christian rulers have much more commonly killed those they decided were enemies, rather than loving them. Jesus' radical message tends to be subversive, rather than congenial, for rulers.
On a side note, there’s a bloody good reason the Catholic Church waits until somebody’s dead before making them a saint. Can’t have saintly subversives running around!
I mean that's true, but rather irrelevant to the point that either Vance or Leo were making. Vance said that Christianity teaches that you should have a hierarchy of loving those closest to you first, and the future Leo, as well as many others, pointed out that the teachings of Jesus as recorded in the gospels say the opposite. What Christians do in practice is another question.
(Or followers of any religion that preaches some amount of pacifism. It usually gets thrown out the window when it's inconvenient for pollical leaders.)
You say that, but throughout history, Christian rulers have much more commonly killed those they decided were enemies, rather than loving them. Jesus' radical message tends to be subversive, rather than congenial, for rulers.
On a side note, there’s a bloody good reason the Catholic Church waits until somebody’s dead before making them a saint. Can’t have saintly subversives running around!
I mean that's true, but rather irrelevant to the point that either Vance or Leo were making. Vance said that Christianity teaches that you should have a hierarchy of loving those closest to you first, and the future Leo, as well as many others, pointed out that the teachings of Jesus as recorded in the gospels say the opposite. What Christians do in practice is another question.
(Or followers of any religion that preaches some amount of pacifism. It usually gets thrown out the window when it's inconvenient for pollical leaders.)
I don't think it's another question. It's the central issue.