Why Democrats would cheer for having Dick Cheney support their ticket is beyond me. It also shows just how far Democrats have moved towards Dick Cheney on foreign policy.
Why Democrats would cheer for having Dick Cheney support their ticket is beyond me. It also shows just how far Democrats have moved towards Dick Cheney on foreign policy.
Disagree! There is a world of difference between endorsing a candidate and condeming the other candidate. Cheney and others have said they will vote for Kamala Harris as a way of doing what they can to condemn and defeat donald trump and in so doing have condemned what trump is and what he stands for and have not given any glowing endorsement to the goals and policies of Kamala Harris. And that is why I welcome anyone who would vote for Kamala Harris as a way of defeating donald trump.
I welcome it because it's such an existential moment, but Cheney is an evil unprosecuted war criminal, and the G.W. Bush-Cheney Administration having gotten away with open, systematic crimes had a lot to do with Trump feeling with considerable justification that he has impunity.
I wouldn't cheer and Dems won't tout this because contrarians would cling to it forever. That aside, evil people can be allowed to seek some modicum of redemption.
Trump wanted to end the war in Afghanistan, but couldn't quite bring himself to do it, because he wanted to end it in a way that made him look good, or at least made him look smarter than the foreign policy establishment. Biden actually ended it, even though it was chaotic and disorderly, in part because of steps that Trump had taken.
I would also add the Biden didn't really get any credit for ending the "forever wars" because Ukraine and Gaza make it feel like we're still at war, even though we don't have troops in those conflicts.
Nor does he deserve it. WeтАЩve been military involved in Syria and in facedowns with Iran and Yemen. And IтАЩm not even talking about the tons of arms weтАЩve supplied in the region.
There's also special forces in wide swath of Africa, though there's been some drawdown of US forces there because Russia has been pushing their own mercs on people as an alternative.
I agree with your sentiment but as it turns out, during the Bush/Cheney years there was considerably less chaos in Congress.
Debt ceiling increases both pre-2006 midterms and after were routine and not escalated fiascos that the Tea Party and Grover Norquist were pushing. Bipartisanship was more popular. And even Nancy Pelosi when she was House Speaker said the Bush Administration was cooperative compared to the Trump Administration.
It certainly is low bar. However, the GOP did it to themselves by bankrolling the Iraq War with no accountability under the leadership of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and House Speaker Dennis Hastert until after the 2006 midterms.
It's during the Bush Administration that the neocons lost their credibility. Too many of their minions such as Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith and others were being snake oil salesmen for the justification behind the Iraq War.
Yes, but that's pretty damn ironic from people who stole the 2000 election and whose Supreme Court nominees have done a lot to further erode democracy and the power of non-super-rich people in the U.S.
IтАЩd say at this point the Cheney family wants to think they are going to be relevant again.
The worst thing that can happen is that neocons like the CheneyтАЩs are going to recommend foreign policy and war mongering intervention and nation building and that the Democrats are actually going to adopt this.
Remember when Bush said he wasnтАЩt for national building before he ended up being for it with the Iraq War?
However, being that Kamala Harris grew up in Berkeley as a child, itтАЩs interesting the CheneyтАЩs are giving support for her in light of this fact.
Back in the day at the height of the lead up to the Iraq War, it was Darrell Issa who argued in the House that federal funding should be withheld for Berkeley for trying to boot out the Army office near the cityтАЩs Downtown area.
Why Democrats would cheer for having Dick Cheney support their ticket is beyond me. It also shows just how far Democrats have moved towards Dick Cheney on foreign policy.
OTOH, this is encouraging, and certainly not surprising. And might make for a fair trade.
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dershowitz became trash years ago!
He probably is mad from grief from losing Jeff Epstein.
Plus the likes of Tulsi Gabbard, etc.
Disagree! There is a world of difference between endorsing a candidate and condeming the other candidate. Cheney and others have said they will vote for Kamala Harris as a way of doing what they can to condemn and defeat donald trump and in so doing have condemned what trump is and what he stands for and have not given any glowing endorsement to the goals and policies of Kamala Harris. And that is why I welcome anyone who would vote for Kamala Harris as a way of defeating donald trump.
I welcome it because it's such an existential moment, but Cheney is an evil unprosecuted war criminal, and the G.W. Bush-Cheney Administration having gotten away with open, systematic crimes had a lot to do with Trump feeling with considerable justification that he has impunity.
I donтАЩt agree with his policies, but Cheney endorsing Harris may get some soft Republicans to vote for her.
Policies. You mean crimes?
I wouldn't cheer and Dems won't tout this because contrarians would cling to it forever. That aside, evil people can be allowed to seek some modicum of redemption.
Nah, just shows that the Cheneys hate Trump.
The last two Dem Presidents ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, hard to get much further from CheneyтАЩs foreign policy.
Trump wanted to end the war in Afghanistan, but couldn't quite bring himself to do it, because he wanted to end it in a way that made him look good, or at least made him look smarter than the foreign policy establishment. Biden actually ended it, even though it was chaotic and disorderly, in part because of steps that Trump had taken.
I would also add the Biden didn't really get any credit for ending the "forever wars" because Ukraine and Gaza make it feel like we're still at war, even though we don't have troops in those conflicts.
Nor does he deserve it. WeтАЩve been military involved in Syria and in facedowns with Iran and Yemen. And IтАЩm not even talking about the tons of arms weтАЩve supplied in the region.
There's also special forces in wide swath of Africa, though there's been some drawdown of US forces there because Russia has been pushing their own mercs on people as an alternative.
At this point, none of those are as bad for the U.S. Military as remaining sitting ducks in Afghanistan.
I agree with your sentiment but as it turns out, during the Bush/Cheney years there was considerably less chaos in Congress.
Debt ceiling increases both pre-2006 midterms and after were routine and not escalated fiascos that the Tea Party and Grover Norquist were pushing. Bipartisanship was more popular. And even Nancy Pelosi when she was House Speaker said the Bush Administration was cooperative compared to the Trump Administration.
What a terribly low bar!
It certainly is low bar. However, the GOP did it to themselves by bankrolling the Iraq War with no accountability under the leadership of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and House Speaker Dennis Hastert until after the 2006 midterms.
It's during the Bush Administration that the neocons lost their credibility. Too many of their minions such as Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith and others were being snake oil salesmen for the justification behind the Iraq War.
Dick Cheney is not a person I'd affiliate with. But if his ilk promote our ticket because we are the party of democracy, I agree!
Yes, but that's pretty damn ironic from people who stole the 2000 election and whose Supreme Court nominees have done a lot to further erode democracy and the power of non-super-rich people in the U.S.
IтАЩd say at this point the Cheney family wants to think they are going to be relevant again.
The worst thing that can happen is that neocons like the CheneyтАЩs are going to recommend foreign policy and war mongering intervention and nation building and that the Democrats are actually going to adopt this.
Remember when Bush said he wasnтАЩt for national building before he ended up being for it with the Iraq War?
They are not relevant in today's Republican Party and will no votes for Harris with them
Right.
However, being that Kamala Harris grew up in Berkeley as a child, itтАЩs interesting the CheneyтАЩs are giving support for her in light of this fact.
Back in the day at the height of the lead up to the Iraq War, it was Darrell Issa who argued in the House that federal funding should be withheld for Berkeley for trying to boot out the Army office near the cityтАЩs Downtown area.