You forgot FDR. How far back do you want to go? I’m referring to the two decades or so. And Ritchie Torres? Good grief. You might as well include Eric Adams while you’re at it.
You forgot FDR. How far back do you want to go? I’m referring to the two decades or so. And Ritchie Torres? Good grief. You might as well include Eric Adams while you’re at it.
Beware of Trumpian hyperboles. You said "never" fail to disappoint. You don't have to go very far back to find several meritorious members of Congress from New York. And, no, I do not credit Eric Adams, Anthony Weiner, or George Santos.
Is it dishonest writing if we don't include every example against a wider trend? Is it hyperbolic of me to say "Trump is racist" because I'm not accounting for every time he displayed respect for someone of color?
Paleo was commenting on the wider trend of recent NYC/NY Democratic politics and their frustration with it. To come in and scold them by saying "beware of Trumpian hyperboles" just makes you look like a jackass tbh.
Gratuitous insults are indeed Trumpian. I do not live in New York but respect many of their elected leaders throughout the decades. To say that New York "never" elects a decent leader is just false and glib.
When rendered clumsily, exaggeration does not make a point. A more useful point to make is that, while New York voters sometimes disappoint, they have also elected some very fine leaders.
As a New Yorker, I'm absolutely disgusted with our senators' record of collaborating with the last 2 criminal Republican presidents, and I guess the last good governor we had was Mario Cuomo, though he was limited by a Republican State Senate. I feel like Mayor Koch deserves some of the credit for saving the city during the Fiscal Crisis, but his third term was a disaster, and every mayor since him has been deeply problematic, while the last 2 before him contributed to the Fiscal Crisis or had no idea what to do about it.
He's generally to the right of what you'd expect from his district. Pro cryptocurrency, very pro police, goes with republicans on the latest anti-immigrant bills. There's enough to dislike about him without going into the banned topic.
Also there's some flip-flops on those issues for him too. Many people might not like someone voting with republicans on the Laken Riley act, but will accept it from politicians who are consistent. But someone who votes against the bill and then later votes for it is going to annoy people more. Comes across as having no true ideological core.
I doubt he'd raise much ire if he represented a D+5 seat or some such, but he represents a D+35 district, which is in a three way tie for 9th bluest district in the country. AOC's seat, for reference, is D+28. The entire state of Vermont is D+16 and Massachusetts D+15. This is a hyper-blue seat that should have a consistent progressive with good messaging skills in it.
You forgot FDR. How far back do you want to go? I’m referring to the two decades or so. And Ritchie Torres? Good grief. You might as well include Eric Adams while you’re at it.
And Eliot Engel was unceremoniously dumped in 2020 in favour of Jamaal Bowman, though that may not seem like such a great development in retrospect.
It was definitely NOT a great development....
Beware of Trumpian hyperboles. You said "never" fail to disappoint. You don't have to go very far back to find several meritorious members of Congress from New York. And, no, I do not credit Eric Adams, Anthony Weiner, or George Santos.
Oh no, the rhetoric police are here. Quick, cushion any kind of exaggeration or turn of phrase, lest you get caught and get called Trumpian!
I thought this was a space for clear thinking and honest writing.
Is it dishonest writing if we don't include every example against a wider trend? Is it hyperbolic of me to say "Trump is racist" because I'm not accounting for every time he displayed respect for someone of color?
Paleo was commenting on the wider trend of recent NYC/NY Democratic politics and their frustration with it. To come in and scold them by saying "beware of Trumpian hyperboles" just makes you look like a jackass tbh.
Gratuitous insults are indeed Trumpian. I do not live in New York but respect many of their elected leaders throughout the decades. To say that New York "never" elects a decent leader is just false and glib.
Do you not understand sarcasm at all? Exaggeration to make a point? FFS, give it a rest.
When rendered clumsily, exaggeration does not make a point. A more useful point to make is that, while New York voters sometimes disappoint, they have also elected some very fine leaders.
As a New Yorker, I'm absolutely disgusted with our senators' record of collaborating with the last 2 criminal Republican presidents, and I guess the last good governor we had was Mario Cuomo, though he was limited by a Republican State Senate. I feel like Mayor Koch deserves some of the credit for saving the city during the Fiscal Crisis, but his third term was a disaster, and every mayor since him has been deeply problematic, while the last 2 before him contributed to the Fiscal Crisis or had no idea what to do about it.
On the other hand, tone policing while calling yourself Diogenes is a very funny bit
What you call "tone policing" is asking for accuracy.
Wish fulfillment
Agreed on Torres. We could go back to Teddy Roosevelt. But New York City has elected a lot of deeply flawed mayors in my lifetime.
I’m curious, what is your objection to Ritchie Torres? I know he’s a staunch Israel supporter, and some people react very negatively to that.
He's generally to the right of what you'd expect from his district. Pro cryptocurrency, very pro police, goes with republicans on the latest anti-immigrant bills. There's enough to dislike about him without going into the banned topic.
Also there's some flip-flops on those issues for him too. Many people might not like someone voting with republicans on the Laken Riley act, but will accept it from politicians who are consistent. But someone who votes against the bill and then later votes for it is going to annoy people more. Comes across as having no true ideological core.
I doubt he'd raise much ire if he represented a D+5 seat or some such, but he represents a D+35 district, which is in a three way tie for 9th bluest district in the country. AOC's seat, for reference, is D+28. The entire state of Vermont is D+16 and Massachusetts D+15. This is a hyper-blue seat that should have a consistent progressive with good messaging skills in it.
Thank you.