Let's stop with the purity tests. Pappas vs Goodlander in terms of actual voting along party lines would be virtually indistinguishable. You know that.
Not too long ago you were tearing Goodlander apart in her primary because she's married to Jake Sullivan and a "Washington insider."
I doubt there would be much of any distinction between them in practice. They're both young and would likely to be the left of our current NH senators and close to the middle of our senate caucus. Maybe a bit like Tim Kaine or so.
Pappas should be the stronger candidate and Goodlander would pay a voter penalty for leaving the house after only a single term. Also wouldn't like the prospect of us having three open seats in NH next year, even if the expected political environment should insulate us somewhat.
It won't happen but I'd rather see Goodlander primary Hassan in 2028, with Pappas running this year.
This is what I'm saying. Name one vote she took besides the shutdown one in her Senate career that you had an issue with that means we need to primary her.
Fuck that. This was a critical vote where she failed.
Maybe I will be all alone on this, but I will not support this extent of craven capitulation to authoritarianism from my senators. If any of those ten see primary challenges at any point in their career going forward, I will support that challenger. They'll still get my vote in a general election if they make it there (and I'm under no delusions: most, if not all, will do exactly that) but that's it.
It's also part of a pattern for Hassan and Shaheen. They often vote with republicans for something shitty that barely passes the senate with a handful of democratic votes. In the past those shitty things haven't been anywhere near so critical, but this is not a once-off aberration.
And whenever republicans pass something with 5-10 democratic votes, Hassan and Shaheen are consistently in that group of 5-10.
It's not defended by them being in a swing state, either: Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, and Nevada are all states much to the right of NH but the democratic senators from those states typically end up to the left of Hassan and Shaheen.
With Manchin and Sinema gone, these two are in the running to be some of our most conservative senators, despite being from a meaningfully bluer state than 20-30% of our caucus.
Maybe these pieces of legislation would pass anyway if they voted no. My thinking is the caucus decides if they should let it pass or not then decide whoтАЩs going to take one for the team. Hassan and Shaheen would be good ones to do that as they donтАЩt have to worry as much about a primary.
It should be obvious but I do not want these pieces of legislation to pass.
If the consequences of "taking one for the team" is losing a primary, then nobody is going to take one for the team. The caucus will vote differently and shitty legislation that needs dem votes will pass less frequently.
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I'm still in awe of her defeat of Tommy Thompson that year. Yes, it was a different time (although still pretty damn polarized), but even I didn't think she'd be able to pull it off against the sTaTe iNsTiTuTiOn Thompson.
IтАЩve been following politics with the Davids for a long time and that is probably the most confusing race IтАЩve ever seen. Thompson ran for POTUS and then turned around and got his ass kicked by an uber liberal lesbian from Madison. I really donтАЩt get how that race got away him from so fast.
Obama also kicked some ass in WI that year but ticket splitting was still a thing back then.
A lesbian senator with surprisingly progressive credentials. She was among the 14 senators that cosponsored the Medicare for All Act in 2022, alongside Bernie Sanders.
kinda hoping Goodlander defers to Pappas
I'd reverse it.
why? just curious
Goodlander is more progressive
been in the House less than 3 months though; but now i understand your view
Let's stop with the purity tests. Pappas vs Goodlander in terms of actual voting along party lines would be virtually indistinguishable. You know that.
Not too long ago you were tearing Goodlander apart in her primary because she's married to Jake Sullivan and a "Washington insider."
I did? I donтАЩt recall that. And itтАЩs not a тАЬpurity testтАЭ to prefer one candidate over another in a primary. ThatтАЩs why we have primaries.
i prefer Pappas but it is just a preference for the senior officeholder..nothing against Goodlander at all
I think Pappas's "working his way up the ranks" political trajectory plays well (especially in small states like New Hampshire).
I doubt there would be much of any distinction between them in practice. They're both young and would likely to be the left of our current NH senators and close to the middle of our senate caucus. Maybe a bit like Tim Kaine or so.
Pappas should be the stronger candidate and Goodlander would pay a voter penalty for leaving the house after only a single term. Also wouldn't like the prospect of us having three open seats in NH next year, even if the expected political environment should insulate us somewhat.
It won't happen but I'd rather see Goodlander primary Hassan in 2028, with Pappas running this year.
Why does Hassan need to be primaried exactly?
This is what I'm saying. Name one vote she took besides the shutdown one in her Senate career that you had an issue with that means we need to primary her.
Agreed. We really need to pick our battles here. READ THE ROOM.
Fuck that. This was a critical vote where she failed.
Maybe I will be all alone on this, but I will not support this extent of craven capitulation to authoritarianism from my senators. If any of those ten see primary challenges at any point in their career going forward, I will support that challenger. They'll still get my vote in a general election if they make it there (and I'm under no delusions: most, if not all, will do exactly that) but that's it.
It's also part of a pattern for Hassan and Shaheen. They often vote with republicans for something shitty that barely passes the senate with a handful of democratic votes. In the past those shitty things haven't been anywhere near so critical, but this is not a once-off aberration.
So, to answer your challenge on "one other vote" that I had an issue with, there was the 2018 banking deregulation bill. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2155
Voted for the CR just last week.
And whenever republicans pass something with 5-10 democratic votes, Hassan and Shaheen are consistently in that group of 5-10.
It's not defended by them being in a swing state, either: Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, and Nevada are all states much to the right of NH but the democratic senators from those states typically end up to the left of Hassan and Shaheen.
With Manchin and Sinema gone, these two are in the running to be some of our most conservative senators, despite being from a meaningfully bluer state than 20-30% of our caucus.
Maybe these pieces of legislation would pass anyway if they voted no. My thinking is the caucus decides if they should let it pass or not then decide whoтАЩs going to take one for the team. Hassan and Shaheen would be good ones to do that as they donтАЩt have to worry as much about a primary.
It should be obvious but I do not want these pieces of legislation to pass.
If the consequences of "taking one for the team" is losing a primary, then nobody is going to take one for the team. The caucus will vote differently and shitty legislation that needs dem votes will pass less frequently.
Absolutely unacceptable comment here from a repeat offender. We are extremely grateful for every paid subscriber, but that is not a license to abuse this community.
Damn. Well said.
I would too, because I'm not 100% sure a gay man is electable statewide in New Hampshire.
WI has elected a lesbian to the Senate since 2012 and they are redder, more religious and more rural.
I'm still in awe of her defeat of Tommy Thompson that year. Yes, it was a different time (although still pretty damn polarized), but even I didn't think she'd be able to pull it off against the sTaTe iNsTiTuTiOn Thompson.
IтАЩve been following politics with the Davids for a long time and that is probably the most confusing race IтАЩve ever seen. Thompson ran for POTUS and then turned around and got his ass kicked by an uber liberal lesbian from Madison. I really donтАЩt get how that race got away him from so fast.
Obama also kicked some ass in WI that year but ticket splitting was still a thing back then.
it is all about her; she could teach a Master Class in politics
Dems routed in Wisconsin that year, which made 2016 all the more confusing and painful.
A lesbian senator with surprisingly progressive credentials. She was among the 14 senators that cosponsored the Medicare for All Act in 2022, alongside Bernie Sanders.
she is a master politician; Trump won Wisconsin, TWICE