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michaelflutist's avatar

"Maybe there are a significant number of folks who want Trump to be president again, but also want a Democratic Senate to keep him in check." Those people don't realize the Supreme Court gave Trump unlimited power if he wins.

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IggySD's avatar

Yes, but there is still the matter of carrying out that power. He has his sycophants, but the rest of the government is not powerless and he will still have to overcome bureaucracy.

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Jonathan's avatar

With this current SC; I'd prefer to not chance it

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IggySD's avatar

Absolutely. DonтАЩt get me wrong, another Trump presidency would absolutely cause a great deal of harm to American democracy. At the same time I think there is a lot of fatalism that may or may not come to pass. There will still be some roadblocks to an Imperial Presidency despite the SC.

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Zero Cool's avatar

I think those people are also stupid.

Who are these тАЬsignificantтАЭ number of Trump voters?

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IggySD's avatar

I honestly donтАЩt know. ItтАЩs a theory to explain the divergence between polling numbers. I donтАЩt necessarily agree with it but itтАЩs the one that makes the most sense to me. But yes, if that is what is happening then stupid is certainly an appropriate, and probably kind, description.

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Wolfpack Dem's avatar

which is why it's so vexing - every theory that my old man brain comes up with, I immediately swat away as irrational.

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Zero Cool's avatar

In hindsight, in knowing Trump supporters, they arenтАЩt by default going to vote for the GOP.

But if they didnтАЩt vote for the GOP and want Democrats to keep Trump in check, then why do they support him in the first place?

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IggySD's avatar

The economy? ThatтАЩs really my only guess. People remember how relatively cheap it was to fill up their grocery cart in 2019 and want to go back to those days. At the same time they donтАЩt want their neighbor to die from a complicated pregnancy, or for the fags down the street to have their marriage cancelled. I donтАЩt think anyone who posts here can really get in the mind of a Trump voter, but that makes some sense to me.

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Zero Cool's avatar

Trump Voters: "Go Trump!"

Also Trump Voters: "We need Democrats to keep Trump in check so he doesn't do stupid crap! We love him but we also think he can be nuts when he governs!"

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ArcticStones's avatar

Michael, I think there are more conservatives who want Harris to be President, but want a Republican Senate to keep her in check. Certainly that is the priority of the Koch Network and other dark money PACs that are now investing huge amounts of money in various Senate races.

Imho, Democratic PACs need to match those expenditures тАУ plus invest heavily in the Senate races in Florida, Texas and Nebraska.

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IggySD's avatar

That absolutely makes sense but is not supported by any polling that IтАЩve seen.

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Jonathan's avatar

Actually the Texas and Florida currently polling numbers lead to that; the NE-Senate is questionable to me but others here disagree

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Jonathan's avatar

We might be discussing2 different things here; my apologies

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IggySD's avatar

Haha, no worries. To clarify, if the theory is that folks want a Dem Presidency but a Republican Senate weтАЩd be seeing opposite results in the polling where Harris would be overperforming. Instead, the polling shows that there is a reasonable chance for a Republican president but Dem Congress. This doesnтАЩt reconcile with polls showing that Harris is the predicted winner (and IтАЩm sorry I donтАЩt have a link to that but will try to find).

In short, itтАЩs just one more way in which the discrepancies in the polls donтАЩt make any sense.

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Jonathan's avatar

Yup; we were talking about different topics; I was only pointing out that polling increasingly shows that Florida and Texas Senate are now truly competitive and that (gulp!) Nebraska Senate is now possibly being led by the independent challenger(this one I truly am doubtful at this time)

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IggySD's avatar

Hah, posted something similar down below but yeah, itтАЩs approaching bizzaro world. (And please tell me there are some Adult Swim fans on here who remember how great the Bizzaro Sealab 2021 episode was)

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Jonathan's avatar

Lmao

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Avedee Eikew's avatar

"I hate them all but turtle face"

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michaelflutist's avatar

That would make sense from their point of view.

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