Does anyone else think that the MSG Rally will really hurt the Trump campaign? We had racist jokes that have really offended Latinos and several high profile celebrities of Puerto Rican descent have endorsed Harris such as Bad Bunny, Jennifer Lopez and Ricky Martin. Even Geraldo attacked the joke and he has endorsed Kamala. There were other speakers who called Kamala Harris the antichrist and the devil. A speaker referred to her political advisers as her "pimps". The same comic that made the horrible joke about Puerto Rico made a watermelon joke about black people. Several speakers screamed obscenities from the stage and one man repeatedly screamed the "F" word over and over. Another speaker repeatedly attacked Muslims and Palestinians. These clips will be everywhere this week all over the news, social media and in adds, and remember that Kamala Harris has hundreds of millions to spend this week while Trump is broke. Finally, as icing on the cake of this shit show of a rally, Elon Musk's Pac called Kamala the "C" word on their adds. This should dominate all media coverage all week. We have only heard the tip of the iceberg of the offensiveness of that rally.
It'll be impossible to quantify, but if it turns out she does similarly to Biden among Latino voters or even slightly improves, I think this will be an after-the-fact explanation saying that this erased whatever gains he made.
Which is going to make me very angry because Harris was already doing much better than Biden was among that demographic.
The narrative shouldnтАЩt be тАЬlast minute gaffe propels Harris to big winтАЭ should that happen. It should and is more accurate to say this as the narrative: тАЬHarris worked hard throughout the campaign in both English and Spanish to reach out to Hispanic/Latino votersтАЭ which paid off.
But I just know this useless fascist enabling cowards of a free press wonтАЩt give her any dues and will instead boil it down to тАЬTrump lost at MSGтАЭ which is going to be attributed to her victory should she win *sigh*
You nailed it; Rick Scott and the entire Florida Republican party machine are currently in full damage mode (and of course Fox is in full denial mode); they are showing us their hand; our side should act like sharks with blood in the water
I don't know. Roughly every other day Trump says or does something egregious that is forgotten within 24 hours. However, as you point out, she has a ton of cash and can keep some of this alive in the media.
The headlines on this have been unusually brutal in most of the sources I've read. The instant response from Scott & the FL GOP shows they are taking this as a serious threat to their chances. You can't wave this off as griping by jilted former employees or old quotes taken out of context...this was all deliberate. Yet Trump has crossed line after line since 2015 and hasn't seen any appreciable slip in support from his base, so I will believe it when I see it.
Which the more I think about it makes sense. The sane-washing of Trump makes it easy for folks to hand-wave away his racist comments any saying тАЬoh, well he didnтАЩt really mean thatтАЭ, or тАЬhe wonтАЩt really follow through on thatтАЭ, or even тАЬthatтАЩs not really what he saidтАЭ. But something about the combination of the location, timing, and who was saying what last night may finally break through.
I wouldnтАЩt put money on it because there have been so many previous disasters that he came out from unscathed. But if it does end up mattering, itтАЩs not too difficult to see why.
IтАЩm not sure how many people ever actually hear the exact words he says, itтАЩs either interpreted / summarized in reporting, or itтАЩs written off as just Trump being Trump. If he were the one who said it the тАЬitтАЩs just a jokeтАЭ defense would be working. But it doesnтАЩt seem to be.
In a way it could be like a reverse seeing the man behind the curtain. Maybe some of the folks who are indifferent to the culture wars but yearn for the economy of 2019 finally saw who theyтАЩre associating with and it was enough. Sure, theyтАЩve heard comments about Trump supporters being racist, but always downplayed it, or assumed it was the тАЬliberal media biasтАЭ
Again, IтАЩm doubtful it will matter. But at the same time I donтАЩt think Scott would have been so quick to disavow that тАЬjokeтАЭ if Trump had said it. So if itтАЩs not the message itself, there must be something about the messenger or the timing that worries them.
I think it will matter. I remember a Comptroller race in New York in which the Republican incumbent was set to cruise for reelection until he made a remark that singled out bodegas in a negative light, prompting his heavy defeat. It's one thing for Trump and his people to say disgusting things about people coming across the border, but attacking Puerto Ricans, who are all American citizens, is going to hurt.
No, this was a state-wide race. It's hard to find stuff about it online, but the incumbent Republican was an Italian-American man who had won the job by pushing a homophobic line and then lost it by showing disrespect toward Latinos.
Hispanic leaders slammed Attorney General Dennis Vacco yesterday following a report he used the words тАЬbodegaтАЭ and тАЬbandidoтАЭ while talking about crime and the death penalty.
Answering a question from the Jewish Week newspaper about the death penalty as a deterrent to crime, Vacco is quoted as saying: тАЬWe donтАЩt do surveys of criminals. You donтАЩt stand outside a bodega and ask the bandido if he would have killed somebody if there was no death penalty.тАЭ
HeтАЩs never needed a degree of separation before though. ThatтАЩs whatтАЩs actually different about this one. It may open peopleтАЩs eyes not to Trump, but his supporters. But like I said above, I ainтАЩt holding my breath.
Does anyone else think that the MSG Rally will really hurt the Trump campaign? We had racist jokes that have really offended Latinos and several high profile celebrities of Puerto Rican descent have endorsed Harris such as Bad Bunny, Jennifer Lopez and Ricky Martin. Even Geraldo attacked the joke and he has endorsed Kamala. There were other speakers who called Kamala Harris the antichrist and the devil. A speaker referred to her political advisers as her "pimps". The same comic that made the horrible joke about Puerto Rico made a watermelon joke about black people. Several speakers screamed obscenities from the stage and one man repeatedly screamed the "F" word over and over. Another speaker repeatedly attacked Muslims and Palestinians. These clips will be everywhere this week all over the news, social media and in adds, and remember that Kamala Harris has hundreds of millions to spend this week while Trump is broke. Finally, as icing on the cake of this shit show of a rally, Elon Musk's Pac called Kamala the "C" word on their adds. This should dominate all media coverage all week. We have only heard the tip of the iceberg of the offensiveness of that rally.
I think the Latino remarks have real potential for damage.
Yeah, they changed gears from "haha, lighten up, it's just a joke!" to "that was an accident, we swear!" pretty sharply.
It'll be impossible to quantify, but if it turns out she does similarly to Biden among Latino voters or even slightly improves, I think this will be an after-the-fact explanation saying that this erased whatever gains he made.
Which is going to make me very angry because Harris was already doing much better than Biden was among that demographic.
The narrative shouldnтАЩt be тАЬlast minute gaffe propels Harris to big winтАЭ should that happen. It should and is more accurate to say this as the narrative: тАЬHarris worked hard throughout the campaign in both English and Spanish to reach out to Hispanic/Latino votersтАЭ which paid off.
But I just know this useless fascist enabling cowards of a free press wonтАЩt give her any dues and will instead boil it down to тАЬTrump lost at MSGтАЭ which is going to be attributed to her victory should she win *sigh*
You nailed it; Rick Scott and the entire Florida Republican party machine are currently in full damage mode (and of course Fox is in full denial mode); they are showing us their hand; our side should act like sharks with blood in the water
Unfortunately, they usually tend to act like porpoises.
Lmao; can't argue with you there
I'm hoping Harris does a rally in Florida with Mucarsel Powell. If she does, we'll know that polling is showing FL as at least a possible reach state.
ScottтАЩs tweet mid-rally was the first thing that made me think it did real damage
Yup
I don't know. Roughly every other day Trump says or does something egregious that is forgotten within 24 hours. However, as you point out, she has a ton of cash and can keep some of this alive in the media.
Actually we may get lots of free media keeping this alive
You can be sure footage will be in ads, if it isn't already.
The headlines on this have been unusually brutal in most of the sources I've read. The instant response from Scott & the FL GOP shows they are taking this as a serious threat to their chances. You can't wave this off as griping by jilted former employees or old quotes taken out of context...this was all deliberate. Yet Trump has crossed line after line since 2015 and hasn't seen any appreciable slip in support from his base, so I will believe it when I see it.
I think a big part of why this has more oomph is, ironically (and sadly) that Trump didnтАЩt say it
I hate that you're probably right.
Which the more I think about it makes sense. The sane-washing of Trump makes it easy for folks to hand-wave away his racist comments any saying тАЬoh, well he didnтАЩt really mean thatтАЭ, or тАЬhe wonтАЩt really follow through on thatтАЭ, or even тАЬthatтАЩs not really what he saidтАЭ. But something about the combination of the location, timing, and who was saying what last night may finally break through.
I wouldnтАЩt put money on it because there have been so many previous disasters that he came out from unscathed. But if it does end up mattering, itтАЩs not too difficult to see why.
I don't think it makes sense that someone else's comments at a rally should hurt him more than his own remarks. Why do they mean it and he doesn't?
IтАЩm not sure how many people ever actually hear the exact words he says, itтАЩs either interpreted / summarized in reporting, or itтАЩs written off as just Trump being Trump. If he were the one who said it the тАЬitтАЩs just a jokeтАЭ defense would be working. But it doesnтАЩt seem to be.
In a way it could be like a reverse seeing the man behind the curtain. Maybe some of the folks who are indifferent to the culture wars but yearn for the economy of 2019 finally saw who theyтАЩre associating with and it was enough. Sure, theyтАЩve heard comments about Trump supporters being racist, but always downplayed it, or assumed it was the тАЬliberal media biasтАЭ
Again, IтАЩm doubtful it will matter. But at the same time I donтАЩt think Scott would have been so quick to disavow that тАЬjokeтАЭ if Trump had said it. So if itтАЩs not the message itself, there must be something about the messenger or the timing that worries them.
I think it will matter. I remember a Comptroller race in New York in which the Republican incumbent was set to cruise for reelection until he made a remark that singled out bodegas in a negative light, prompting his heavy defeat. It's one thing for Trump and his people to say disgusting things about people coming across the border, but attacking Puerto Ricans, who are all American citizens, is going to hurt.
I think you might be thinking of a different race. As near as I can tell NYC hasn't had a Republican comptroller since the 40's.
No, this was a state-wide race. It's hard to find stuff about it online, but the incumbent Republican was an Italian-American man who had won the job by pushing a homophobic line and then lost it by showing disrespect toward Latinos.
If you remember what race this was, please post about it. Very interesting, and quite plausible.
I'll probably remember his name later.
I did some research. It was actually an Attorney General race. His name was Dennis Vacco. Here's the Wikipedia article about him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Vacco And here's a Daily News story about the comment that sunk his reelection campaign: https://www.nydailynews.com/1998/10/29/vacco-comment-fuels-hispanics-ire/
And here's the first paragraph of the story:
Hispanic leaders slammed Attorney General Dennis Vacco yesterday following a report he used the words тАЬbodegaтАЭ and тАЬbandidoтАЭ while talking about crime and the death penalty.
Answering a question from the Jewish Week newspaper about the death penalty as a deterrent to crime, Vacco is quoted as saying: тАЬWe donтАЩt do surveys of criminals. You donтАЩt stand outside a bodega and ask the bandido if he would have killed somebody if there was no death penalty.тАЭ
And also gives him a degree of separation that will probably keep it from sticking. Heads Trump wins, tails you lose.
HeтАЩs never needed a degree of separation before though. ThatтАЩs whatтАЩs actually different about this one. It may open peopleтАЩs eyes not to Trump, but his supporters. But like I said above, I ainтАЩt holding my breath.
Rick ScottтАЩs tweet is here:
https://x.com/ScottforFlorida/status/1850671024204882016
Rick Scott can go for a long walk on a short pier that juts out into shark-infested waters!