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RainDog2's avatar

Results are still coming in, but local elections in England are looking to be a massive win for Farage and his merry band of fascists at Reform UK. Several councils have fallen, including both Labour and Tory strongholds.

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Paleo's avatar

As well as a House of Commons seat. As I posted in the last thread:

UK: Labour loses a seat to Reform it had won by nearly 15,000 last year.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/02/reform-runcorn-and-helsby-byelection-local-elections

A Labour MP reacts:

Labour's defeat in Runcorn was entirely avoidable - and is the direct result of the party

leadership's political choices. By pushing policies like cuts to disability benefits and scrapping the winter fuel allowance, the leadership is driving away our own voters - and

letting Reform squeeze through. The Labour leadership must urgently change course and govern with real Labour values

https://bsky.app/profile/richardburgon.bsky.social/post/3lo6ice7bj223

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ehstronghold's avatar

Which high profile Tory MPs do you think will defect to Reform UK after yesterday?

You have to believe that Suella Braverman is going to make the jump sooner rather than later since her husband is a Reform UK member and she'd love to serve as Nigel Farage's Home Secretary where she'd be unleashed like Tom Homan in Trump 2.0.

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michaelflutist's avatar

It's disgraceful for a Labour Party to behave like Margaret Thatcher. What in the world are they thinking?

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Paleo's avatar

They think itтАЩs the 1990s. And havenтАЩt learned the lesson that neo-liberalism leads to fascism.

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Ethan (KingofSpades)'s avatar

No, that was PM Cameron being an imbecile that started it.

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michaelflutist's avatar

I don't know where it's been proven that neoliberalism inevitably leads to fascism, but I just don't understand a labour party acting this way. It's absurd and absolutely anti-socialist.

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ArcticStones's avatar

Your last claim is pure hyperbole.

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PollJunkie's avatar

It's hard but necessary as they don't have an American style printer due to our exorbitant privilege.

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ehstronghold's avatar

Because of decisions made during the Tory government and by voters themselves (Brexit) the UK is arguably in an economic death spiral with no obvious levers to pull to arrest the decline. They are increasingly unable to support the NHS in its current form with a rapidly aging society.

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PollJunkie's avatar

Lots of skilled Poles and Romanians also went back to their countries with their experience gained.

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michaelflutist's avatar

I can't believe it. How much have taxes been raised on the wealthy and big corporations?

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PollJunkie's avatar

Reeves did raise some taxes on them, it was a tax and spend bill.

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michaelflutist's avatar

It doesn't sound like they raised taxes enough on the wealthy, if the alternative is making the poor freeze.

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Toiler On the Sea's avatar

Seems like no Trump-backlash in the UK . . .

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ArcticStones's avatar

One astute observer of UK politics, Robert Peston, has this take on that:

"тАжthe UKтАЩs vote to leave the European Union demonstrated, that we live in an age where votersтАЩ grievances and aspirations canтАЩt neatly be packaged up as tribally Labour or Tory.

"The great paradox of all this can be summed up in a word: тАЬTrumpтАЭ.

"It is a paradox because the polls show that British people dislike him personally and his chaotic policies. But a significant proportion of British voters yearn for something Trumpian that would break a political system which - they feel - ignores and even harms them."

. And:

"Do the Tories or Labour yet appreciate the magnitude of the threat to them this represents? And what will their survival instincts ultimately force Labour and Tories to do: remain proudly independent till death, or make common cause and form coalitions with like-minded parties?

"Big change is coming. Its shape is yet to be determined."

https://nitter.poast.org/Peston/status/1918207911333179680#m

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ehstronghold's avatar

Labour is being Pasoked as we speak.

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michaelflutist's avatar

Being what?

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Paleo's avatar

Greece.

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michaelflutist's avatar

Oh right. But Pasok was put under external duress. What's Labour's excuse?

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ArcticStones's avatar

Yup. Far better if Labour is Varoufakised.

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PollJunkie's avatar

Labour must switch to a Proportional system like Germany or Poland to stop Farage from decimating every party in the next election. Labour, Tories, Lib Dems and Greens can form coalitions with each other.

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James Trout's avatar

Poland isn't exactly a model that the UK nor our brethren Anglosphere nations should follow given the lack of anti fascist sentiment there. Not to mention that Germany uses a Mixed Member system as does New Zealand. They don't use full blown PR as that was the system Weimar used.

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PollJunkie's avatar

Mixed Member system is also used in the lower or maybe upper chamber of Australia and is a form of PR.

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James Trout's avatar

It's not full blown PR though as half of the MPs in Germany are elected to individual constituencies. Also the Australian House of Representatives uses preferential voting or ranked choice voting. Not MMP.

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PollJunkie's avatar

They have bonus legislators in Germany and Nordic for equalising it when MMP isn't exactly proportional to the vote share.

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James Trout's avatar

Except the Nordic countries use full blown PR. Germany does not. And as I said earlier Germany does not because of Weimar.

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