I don't think a House Speaker can be a viable POTUS candidate for the mere reason they'll have too much electoral baggage in their suitcase. In an era where being an "insider" is the ultimate Scarlet Letter in politics and compromise legislation is shot with daggers by respective party bases, a House Speaker is the ultimate compromising insider.
I don't think a House Speaker can be a viable POTUS candidate for the mere reason they'll have too much electoral baggage in their suitcase. In an era where being an "insider" is the ultimate Scarlet Letter in politics and compromise legislation is shot with daggers by respective party bases, a House Speaker is the ultimate compromising insider.
I agree, and I also think this is why long-time Senators have a poor track record of being elected to the Presidency directly from their Senate seats. I can only imagine this weighed on Obama's mind when he decided to run for President in 2008.
There's a sense to what you're saying, but there's a very strong counterargument. Two, actually. One is still sitting in the White House till January 20, and the other is the multiply-convicted felon who tried to overthrow democracy and got people killed, yet was elected to a second term. If that kind of baggage can get you elected, I don't see how we can draw conclusions about where the American people would draw the line.
And Biden was the first VP formerly a Senator to serve as POTUS since Lyndon Johnson in 1963.
The significant difference was that Biden ran for POTUS after having served as VP under Obama for eight years and having gone into academia for years after that. Johnson of course immediately became POTUS after JFK's assassination.
I wouldn't be surprised if we have an all Gubernatorial ticket in 2028. Y'all will want to watch the Gubernatorial Election here in Virginia very closely. Should #1. Abigail Spanberger win in November, #2. Virginia elect a Democratic Lieutenant Governor as well (the Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and Attorney General are elected separately here), and #3. there are no scandals in her administration, expect her to at MINIMUM be on the shortlist for VP. She's relatively young (47), mother of three, former Congresswoman, and suburban.
I think it's way too early to handicap the race..but Walz, Shapiro, Whitman etc are clearly contenders and of course Newsom is 'available'; plus a few Senate folks(Kelly is clearly one)
Hard disagree on Walz as a national candidate; I think what hurts him is notion of 'old white guy'(he's not as old as he looks but it's the perception thing)
I would agree with that if it weren't for the fact that save FDR, history has not been kind to losing VP candidates. And even in FDR's case, it was one full dozen years between the VP and first Presidential run and his political career had grown between those years, becoming a twice elected Governor of the then most populous state in the nation.
All true but Walz was mainly sidelined; which I think was horrible strategy but that's a different debate; I do say this without knowing if Walz wins again for re-election in Minnesota; that's more important than 2024 imo(granted that it's debatable)
I don't think a House Speaker can be a viable POTUS candidate for the mere reason they'll have too much electoral baggage in their suitcase. In an era where being an "insider" is the ultimate Scarlet Letter in politics and compromise legislation is shot with daggers by respective party bases, a House Speaker is the ultimate compromising insider.
I agree, and I also think this is why long-time Senators have a poor track record of being elected to the Presidency directly from their Senate seats. I can only imagine this weighed on Obama's mind when he decided to run for President in 2008.
There's a sense to what you're saying, but there's a very strong counterargument. Two, actually. One is still sitting in the White House till January 20, and the other is the multiply-convicted felon who tried to overthrow democracy and got people killed, yet was elected to a second term. If that kind of baggage can get you elected, I don't see how we can draw conclusions about where the American people would draw the line.
Biden had been VP though . . .that completely changes the calculus. The two times he ran as "Senator Biden from Deleware" he didn't make it to Iowa.
Exactly. He doesn't become VP, he doesn't become President. Full stop.
And Biden was the first VP formerly a Senator to serve as POTUS since Lyndon Johnson in 1963.
The significant difference was that Biden ran for POTUS after having served as VP under Obama for eight years and having gone into academia for years after that. Johnson of course immediately became POTUS after JFK's assassination.
Totally true, but there's no question that he had a very long record to try to attack.
I wouldn't be surprised if we have an all Gubernatorial ticket in 2028. Y'all will want to watch the Gubernatorial Election here in Virginia very closely. Should #1. Abigail Spanberger win in November, #2. Virginia elect a Democratic Lieutenant Governor as well (the Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and Attorney General are elected separately here), and #3. there are no scandals in her administration, expect her to at MINIMUM be on the shortlist for VP. She's relatively young (47), mother of three, former Congresswoman, and suburban.
Watching her, watching Gov. Shapiro.
If Shapiro's margin of victory in 2026 is huge, that's a big tell.
I think it's way too early to handicap the race..but Walz, Shapiro, Whitman etc are clearly contenders and of course Newsom is 'available'; plus a few Senate folks(Kelly is clearly one)
Witmer(auto correct)
Agreed except for Walz. Thanks to 2024, he now has the loser tag on him.
Hard disagree on Walz as a national candidate; I think what hurts him is notion of 'old white guy'(he's not as old as he looks but it's the perception thing)
Further it was Harris who actually lost; Veep is not a voting issue (never has been)
I would agree with that if it weren't for the fact that save FDR, history has not been kind to losing VP candidates. And even in FDR's case, it was one full dozen years between the VP and first Presidential run and his political career had grown between those years, becoming a twice elected Governor of the then most populous state in the nation.
All true but Walz was mainly sidelined; which I think was horrible strategy but that's a different debate; I do say this without knowing if Walz wins again for re-election in Minnesota; that's more important than 2024 imo(granted that it's debatable)
I didn't see him being sidelined at all. I don't get that. He was a very active and I thought excellent campaigner.
Yep. He headed quite a few rallies.
I felt like he was sidelined in the latter stages.. I thought he was a terrific messenger to rural areas and should have been even more active
It's just so early though for speculation; I bet if I thought it out, I could come up with 25 names..!!.. Lmao