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michaelflutist's avatar

So, will the Democrats reconsider coming back or are they fucking jellyfish?

Kevin H.'s avatar

They were always going to return early; they returned early 20 years ago. I get it from a personal standpoint it was asking too much to be away for months to stop this. Might as well return now and let California get the ball rolling on what they're going to do.

michaelflutist's avatar

Being arrested when they return won't keep them away from their jobs?

Paleo's avatar

I don't think they'd return at this point if they thought they'd be arrested.

michaelflutist's avatar

What they think could easily be wrong in several ways.

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Paleo's avatar

It's possible. But I did a search on the guy and didn't find any hints as to possible political biases.

https://www.odefamilycompanies.com/

https://ed-rev.org/founder-letter/

stevk's avatar

I had the same thought but, honestly, I doubt it really would have much impact on Brown...

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stevk's avatar

There is already going to be tens of millions of dollars spent attacking Brown - not sure that this would really change whatever impact that does or does not have.

Paleo's avatar

Texas Emerson poll:

Senate

Cornyn 30 Paxton 29 Undecided 37

Cornyn 45 Allred 38

Paxton 46 Allred 41

Trump job approval 49/42

Abbott job approval 46/42

Texas voters are split on the proposal to redraw Texas’ congressional map ahead of the 2026 Midterm Elections: 36% support, 38% oppose, and 26% are unsure.

https://emersoncollegepolling.com/texas-2026-poll-cornyn-and-paxton-in-dead-heat-for-gop-senate-nomination/

ArcticStones's avatar

Could the preference of Texas Republicans really have swung that much towards Senator John Cornyn in such a short time? I find that hard to believe.

Emerson states:

"The Emerson College Polling Texas survey was conducted August 11-12, 2025. […] The 2026 Republican Primary consists of n=491, with a credibility interval of +/- 4.4%."

I presume "credibility interval" is the same as "margin of error". If so, an MoE of 4.4% is huge!

Cyndi's avatar

Yes, and with that margin of error the results are a statistical tie.

AWildLibAppeared's avatar

I think they might have had a GOP skewing sample. But time will tell.

MPC's avatar

Yeah, I think that Senate seat stays in GOP hands unless Paxton beats Cornyn -- and even then it's still Lean Republican.

Samuel Sero's avatar

Meh, I expect the Texas Senate race numbers to go back and forth and it looks like they only polled Allred since he's declared but none of the potential candidates like Talarico. Keeping an eye on this one.

stevk's avatar

Agree - Likely R, bordering on Safe R, with Cornyn; Lean R with Paxton.

Toiler On the Sea's avatar

Depressing numbers. Texas will always befuddle me.

michaelflutist's avatar

Befuddle you why? Just because you can't understand why people vote Republican? Is that more befuddling in Texas than in Nebraska, Mississippi or Indiana?

bpfish's avatar

They get such terrible results from the Republicans they elect, seemingly worse than other states, and yet they keep doing it with gusto. Paxton, Abbott, and Cruz especially have all let Texans down in massive ways, and yet they all would be easily re-elected, probably by double-digit margins. Ted Cruz could probably run for Governor and win easily, despite abandoning his state twice during natural disasters and being one of the least likable people in existence.

Henrik's avatar

Right. I can think of some GOP run states that are run way better than Texas. Georgia, Utah and South Carolina come to mind. And it’s the same literal gang of dudes fucking it up over a decade

Toiler On the Sea's avatar

Because Paxton due to his numerous scandals and extremism should be toxic in an urban state like Texas, and seemingly he's close to Generic R.

michaelflutist's avatar

And Trump with his numerous scandals and extremism?

Burt Kloner's avatar

it shouldn't befuddle you...have you ever spoken at length with folks who live outside of the big citieis in TX? They are still in the 19th century. Still commonplace to hear N bombs. Their economy depends on "illegals" but they have nothing but contempt for immigrants. trump really could shoot someone in Times Square and he still would win the vote in rural TX. Now I know I generalize and my statements are not true of everyone but they are far too true to think TX is anything but a red neck former slave state and millions of Texans wouldn't mind one bit if they became their own nation.

Henrik's avatar

Considering the toxic impact they have on the USA’s politics (especially the oil and gas industry) maybe we should tell them sayonara and good luck, then

ArcticStones's avatar

I take it those German immigrants are still causing problems in Texas?

/s

schwortz's avatar

Yes regardless of the year, Emerson is a notoriously conservative leaning pollster that often has high undecideds.

bpfish's avatar

Paxton will probably say more extreme things on Fox News and podcasts than Cornyn, but there would be zero difference between their votes as a Senator. If they're going to vote the same anyway, I'd rather have Paxton as a weaker opponent. And if he wins, he'll just be another reminder of GOP extremism, corruption, and lunacy. There is no argument to be made that Cornyn will be a more reasonable legislator than Paxton, certainly not in this political era.

ArcticStones's avatar

I love how the Republican Party continues to nominate or embrace – or at least tolerate – candidates that ought to be totally unelectable. (But you never know in these Trumpian times.) This bodes well for Democrats in 2026!

ArcticStones's avatar

Bizarre! DePerno accuses AG Nessel of being a "groomer". Well, judging by appearances, Democratic Attorney General Dana Nessel certainly seems far more well-groomed than Matthew DePerno.

brendan fka HoosierD42's avatar

It's because she's a lesbian, no other reason. All LGBTQ people are ipso facto groomers to these nudniks

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Burt Kloner's avatar

why doesn't anyone sue them?

brendan fka HoosierD42's avatar

Because lawsuits are expensive and it's not worth the effort.

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Political scientists and historians have observed that while the modern Republican Party became more ruthless about defeating its political enemies, breaking whatever norms were required, Democrats effectively stood in place, hoping for a return to bipartisan comity and defending the status quo that their opponents were smashing. The Democrats became the party of procedure.

By embracing a high-minded, technical style of governance, the party has diminished its ability to excite the public with ideas that tangibly affect people’s lives. Meanwhile, campaign promises that do have mass appeal — whether they are from Mr. Trump, Senator Bernie Sanders or the New York mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani — are often vetted and laughed out of the classroom by the party’s leaders and in-house technocrats.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/15/magazine/gerrymandering-democrats-texas.html?unlocked_article_code=1.eU8.JTlD.D0QHLkcJc3i0&smid=url-share

Cyndi's avatar

The NY Times is no longer a reliable source in political news or analysis.

the lurking ecologist's avatar

What's your preference, particularly on the news part?

ArcticStones's avatar

Here are some of my choices: Political Wire, Talking Points Memo, Heather Cox Richardson, The Contrarian (founded by Jen Rubin, who left WaPo in disgust), The Guardian, and "The World" with Marco Werman on NPR.

And for positive news: "Fix the News." Here is their latest:

https://fixthenews.com/p/307-solar-is-liberation?publication_id=4861955

stevk's avatar

C'mon now...you can't be serious with this...

MPC's avatar

Anderson Clayton, our state Democratic Party chair, mocked the polling Carolina Journal did of the Cooper vs. Whatley race -- asking on X "wonder how badly it hurt Republicans to put out this poll???" And then she did a press release about tariffs, mocking Trump's "Truth" postings like Newsom's press office did.

Love her. She's taking no prisoners.

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ArcticStones's avatar

Only one thing missing from this recipe: young Americans actually showing up to effing vote! As though their lives and future depend on it – which it does.

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ArcticStones's avatar

Bernie has been talking about young voters bringing real change, even revolution, since forever – and yet those young voters don’t turn up to vote, even for him and the Progressive candidates he is promoting. So, to start the examination there: What do Bernie & Co need to try that’s different?

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ArcticStones's avatar

I agree with everything that you’re saying. I’m well aware that Bernie isn’t the Democratic Party (heck, he’s not even a member). But I really admire Bernie Sanders for his authenticity.

My point is that the results of the efforts of Bernie and his alliance to turn out young voters to vote for Progressive candidates has been less than impressive. Which raises some doubts about the proposed formula.

James Trout's avatar

Except that those conservatives and Trump voters don't VOTE for those candidates on the left. It's one thing to claim to like a candidate, it's another thing to actually vote for them. If they "like Bernie" as his acolytes claim they do, it's precisely because he is anti Democratic Party. They aren't for him, they are anti Democratic Party. This notion that if the Democratic Party were just a left populist party that we'd get the same electoral results as in the 1930s and early 1940s remains wishful thinking. Especially since we are a far more suburban and demographically diverse country now than we were in those days.

michaelflutist's avatar

Didn't they show up only a couple percentage points more for Obama, during a near-depression? I seem to remember the figures not showing a huge groundswell of voting from the 18-25 crowd.

Kevin H.'s avatar

I like some of those guys but i need it explained to me how we're going to win over the heartland with those politicians and not just safely blue cities?

MPC's avatar

Anderson Clayton has been doing multiple rural county listening tours around North Carolina, and she usually brings several incumbent judges with her to emphasize how important down ballot races are.

Last year, SCONC justice Allison Riggs did that leading up to the 2024 election -- and for 2026, SCONC incumbent Anita Earls is doing the same. They boil the legalese down to plain understandable terms. Justice Earls frequently brings up the Leandro and gerrymandering cases that the Republican majority have either paused or completely reversed previous rulings on.

JanusIanitos's avatar

Candidates can be bold without being progressive. The unfortunate reality is that our party's internal fault lines have unnecessarily entrenched the idea that anyone that wants to be more than milquetoast needs to be a M4A/GND Sanders-acolyte. But that isn't true. Center-left democrats can be bold in trying to accomplish things, with those things simply not being at the more progressive end of the party's ideology.

Candidates like Mamdani, AOC, Crockett are great for their districts. Some of what makes them strong: clear and skilled communication, being bold on wanting to get things done, are good in any district or state.

Unfortunately I cannot really think of a non-progressive example for congress, but I'd point to a lot of dem governors for the bold-but-not-progressive description. Look at Walz for example. He's absolutely not in the progressive wing of the party: he's not going to be aligned with Sanders or Warren or AOC on ideology. But he got a lot done when MN dems had a trifecta. A byproduct of the aforementioned incorrect association between boldness and progressivism has resulted in a lot of people calling him a progressive in the wake of that, but the stuff he was bold on getting done is all rather bog standard democratic policy.

PollJunkie's avatar

Walz has been described as both progressive and moderate. He supports M4A and has called for universal healthcare multiple times.

James Trout's avatar

Short answer, we aren’t. If that were the case, there would be some states with single payer healthcare and $30 minimum wages. The fact that not even Vermont has single payer healthcare shows you how ineffective they are at policy.

michaelflutist's avatar

I largely agree with you, except that you seem to be more impressed with Hogg than I am. I used to like him but was immediately turned off when he blamed the Democratic as well as the Republican Party for things the Republicans plus maybe Sinema and Manchin blocked. Getting people unreasonably upset at the one party that did so many things when they had the narrowest possible trifecta is not smart and no kind of good politics.

Henrik's avatar

Hogg cares more about clout chasing online and unfortunately since Democrats are the sin-eaters of American politics you get clout from bashing them. It’s probably the biggest blind spot for online progs, honestly

ArcticStones's avatar

David Hogg impressed me initially. Then he thoroughly showed the world that he wasn’t a team player – but rather a "pissing-inside-the-tent" Democrat. That was most certainly not what the DNC needed!

Kevin H.'s avatar

We need people that know how to win elections and less people who just want to win more followers on social media.

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michaelflutist's avatar

Not just to get more followers for personal vanity.

Techno00's avatar

I soured on Hogg when he made a big deal about backing primary challengers who would enact change and then backed a centrist in VA (Irene Shin) who was supported by crypto money and entered the state legislature initially by primarying a left-wing Dem (Ibraheem Samirah) from the center.

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There are some really fascinating numbers in the latest poll from the Pew Research Center. Lots of details, for instance:

– Trump’s approval rating: 38% approve, 60% disapprove

– Hispanic approval numbers: 27% approve, 70% disapprove (Eyes on Texas!)

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/08/14/trumps-tariffs-and-one-big-beautiful-bill-face-more-opposition-than-support-as-his-job-rating-slips/

Henrik's avatar

I think there’s a hard floor in the mid-30s as far as approvals go but still, that’s remarkable considering how much more Trumpified the culture is in the 2020s than eight years ago.

If we spend significant time around this level for the next year then it’s going to be a very rough 2026 for the GOP.

ArcticStones's avatar

I’m convinced that if Democrats truly run an aggressive 50-state, 3244-county campaign, with candidates in every single (!) downballot race, then we’re in for some very pleasant surprises in 2026. Even in deep-red territory.

(The number 3,244 includes county-equivalents.)

Henrik's avatar

Just gotta find candidates who are in it and eager

michaelflutist's avatar

I guess you're being intentionally hyperbolic, as there are tiny, extremely Republican counties in West Texas that are irrelevant, Democrats can't win statewide races in Wyoming, etc.

ArcticStones's avatar

Yeah, but not by much. As I understand it, Democrats failed to run a candidate for 1000 state legislative seats. I sincerely doubt those were all absolutely out of reach.

As for e.g. Wyoming, you rebuild the party running candidates even there – albeit candidates that are well-suited to the state. Moreover, the investment required to begin rebuilding the Democratic Party in low-population states such Wyoming, North Dakota and South Dakota, is a pittance! (Compare with, say, Florida.) It would be irresponsibly to not make that modest investment, and in time it may well pay dividends.

Zero Cool's avatar

Maximizing the reach in races is the way to go, not minimizing things to just the high profile races.

Democrats have one objective - Defeat the GOP anywhere and everywhere they can, no excuses like Rahm Emanuel when he had his rift with Howard Dean back during his days as DNC Chair.

MPC's avatar

I know one or two of these SC legislators resigning was originally reported on The Downballot like yesterday or the day before that, but there are THREE special elections being held on December 23rd -- highly unusual.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/3-south-carolina-lawmakers-have-resigned-what-s-next/ar-AA1Kp5q1?ocid=BingNewsVerp

the lurking ecologist's avatar

RJ May is resigning because he allegedly traffics child porn, despite being part of the religious caucus. That's been percolating for awhile. He worked for AG and Gov candidate Allen Wilson before being elected. Sen Nutt announced he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's at age 59. He thought it was long covid. Rep Cox is resigning to run for Nutt's seat. The latter two were in the comments a few days ago.

Burt Kloner's avatar

just wondering, has there been another banned topic for discussion added to The Downballot? No comments about today's summitt in Russia...oops, I mean Alaska

michaelflutist's avatar

Where's the campaigns and elections angle? It's not so much that everything else is banned from discussion but that this is not a general news or general discussion site.

Burt Kloner's avatar

everything trump does has an elections angle...unfortunately.

michaelflutist's avatar

Then flesh it out, keeping in mind a downballot angle specifically.

AWildLibAppeared's avatar

I don't think there is much to discuss until we better understand the result of the summit.

My assumption is, like most things Trump does, it's a publicity stunt.

Kathy H's avatar

Valuable information. Thank you.

Henrik's avatar

New Orleans Mayor Cantrell has apparently been whacked with a corruption indictment after several years of investigation, but that probably doesn’t matter big picture since she’s term limited this year

michaelflutist's avatar

Sad to hear, though. I guess we'll all hear the details soon.

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"If you're aware of more than one way to interpret calls to "DONATE" to a campaign committee, The Downballot would love to hear from you!"

Could be a missing space and it means Don Ate, or Do Nate. Makes as much sense as a lot of other GOP nonsense.